What happened to the Blue Wave?

[hislegacy]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa.../what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

 

[SummerMadness]

What happened to Trump winning the election?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

What happened to Trump winning the election?

 

[Done222]

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, and I didn't vote for Trump in 2020, but the fact is there were occasions when poll watchers were not allowed to view the process. Some votes were counted in secret.

Not merely independent observers, there must be poll watchers selected by each party or each candidates to observe the whole process for it to be a free and fair election. We keep hearing that there is no evidence of voter fraud, but if you do the vote counting in secret, there's not going to be any evidence.

Even if you support Biden, you should want it to be clear that he won. Count the votes that were counted in secret. If Biden still wins then he's a far more legitimate president and our democracy is preserved.

Otherwise this may be the end of the republic.

 

[Arc F1]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

Apparently they aren't good enough to cheat on all levels at once. Just my opinion.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

One piece stood out for me from the article you linked.

"How did that happen? Political parties suffered particularly from the atrophy of civic life in the later 20th century. Patronage-oriented political machines and volunteer-led, issue-oriented party clubs alike fell on hard times. Their successors have found it far harder to build party institutions rooted in local communities."

I do remember my dad being involved with the local Republican groups back in the 70s. I saw something a few weeks ago that we have also lost the local newspaper and locally focused 30 minute TV news. Most everything we hear is focused at the national level. We don't get to hear about the local parties on local issues. We've lost news about our local politicians and how they are working together (or arguing with each other) about the important local issues. On the other hand, we are bombarded about the national stuff to a point of overload. Therefore we head to a handful of sources that we are drawn to and dont hear the other side directly. Instead we hear what our side wants us to hear.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

but the fact is there were occasions when poll watchers were not allowed to view the process. Some votes were counted in secret.

Which occasions were those ? Is there evidence ? Is it in any meaningful scale to matter ?

 

[Done222]

Which occasions were those ? Is there evidence ? Is it in any meaningful scale to matter ?

In the destructive partisan divide of today, I can show conservatives news sites that claim there was underhanded activity and you can show some mainstream (left) news sites that claim it was the fairest election ever. What is the point?

Disagree with the conservative news sites all you want, but recognize that they exists, that half the county thinks this is a coup.

If we want healing, and avoiding a civil war, then re-count the votes in about 5 or 6 cities and prove the other side is wrong.

 

[Albion]

Even if you support Biden, you should want it to be clear that he won. Count the votes that were counted in secret. If Biden still wins then he's a far more legitimate president and our democracy is preserved.

Otherwise this may be the end of the republic.

Good for you for looking at the bigger picture. That's hardly ever done these days, but no one wins in the long run if nobody can trust that the elections were fair.

And that's where we are today according to all the polling that's been conducted.

It comes on the heels of the attempt to remove a president from office by fabricating charges against him--and of a number of highly-placed government officials being involved in the scheme--so we already had lost confidence in and respect for a number of government agencies that Americans used to trust implicitly.

And now there's this.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I can show conservatives news sites that claim there was underhanded activity and you can show some mainstream (left) news sites that claim it was the fairest election ever. What is the point?

I could care less what some conservative news site says or some left site either.

Why haven’t they presented evidence to courts ?

Why are lawyers saying one thing but when they go under oath they admit they are just blowing hot air and have no evidence of anything ?

40 court cases so far with big fat nothing to show for it.

Why do you believe in something that can’t be shown to be true in courts under oath ?

 

[BobRyan]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump

Biden only won 17% of the counties in the entire united states. Down from the % of counties that Hillary and Obama won but still not all that bad.

Trump got more votes than any incumbent President running for re-election - in all of history, including 95% of the Republican vote. He got 8% of the African American vote which was 50% more than he got in 2016 (And his 2016 numbers were higher than Romney and McCain for % of the African American, and Latino vote).

In fact Trump got 11 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. the numbers for him went up in 2020 not down.

By contrast Obama got 3.5 million fewer votes in his second term than in his first.

 

[BobRyan]

Disagree with the conservative news sites all you want, but recognize that they exists, that half the county thinks this is a coup. .

Which includes 30% of Democrats that agree with Republicans that think the election was stolen from Trump - - surprisingly

 

[Pavel Mosko]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

From what I can tell there was a Red Wave, that had Donald Trump coat tails. This Red Wave however was partially negated by the big city Democratic machine and their vote "counting" minions in the big cities and counties of the battle ground states.


Even with the anti-Trump animus that probably can never be surpassed, it just inconceivable that people would expect Biden to surpass Obama as far as legitimate turn out goes. People forget how much folks loathed George W. Bush at the end of his presidency and besides voting for Obama and adoring Obama also wanted to punish the GOP for the Iraq invasion and all the spilt blood and treasure.

Anyway this kind of thing is like believing that a beaten up old jalopy outraced a new state of the art racing car. Not really something that would normally happen, especially when you consider all the voting irregularities, and other blatant stuff going on at the vote counting places and polls that would suggest that many of those votes are illegitimate.

 

[hislegacy]

What happened to Trump winning the election?

Perhaps the two of you should get together and post a thread on that COMPLETELY different topic.

 

[Done222]

I could care less what some conservative news site says or some left site either.

Why haven’t they presented evidence to courts ?

Why are lawyers saying one thing but when they go under oath they admit they are just blowing hot air and have no evidence of anything ?

40 court cases so far with big fat nothing to show for it.

Why do you believe in something that can’t be shown to be true in courts under oath ?

A compilation of twenty alleged election 'facts' that don't pass the smell test - American Thinker

Here is an example of what the other side is saying, and you should care about what some conservative news sites are saying. Not because they are right, but because society is headed for a collision that won't be good for anybody.

 

[eleos1954]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

This is what seems very strange to me .... mostly people vote a party ticket (not always) .... so how is it ... democratic vote did not prevail overall ... yet Biden got elected?

I do not know what is going on .... but regardless of where one stands ... I would think all would want to ensure to the highest degree voter fraud of any kind is not taking place ..... with all that is going on .... I do think it should be closely looked in to. Seems to be a lot of suspicious/questionable things going on is all I know.

 

[hislegacy]

As Biden voters celebrated in the streets this past weekend, Democratic politicians began to fight among themselves. Although they won the presidency, Democrats lost seats in the House and failed to flip a single state legislative chamber. What went wrong in down-ballot races?

thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/what-happened-that-blue-wave/?outputType=amp

The thread is about the Blue Wave
Not Trump
Not Republicans

can we kindly please stop detailing the thread.

 

[BobRyan]

What happened to Trump winning the election?

Whoa: Nearly a Third of Democrats Believe the Election Was Stolen From Trump

30% of Democrats that agree with Republicans that think the election was stolen from Trump - - surprisingly

Here is a direct verbatim quote from a summary of the Rasmussen survey they quote from

"Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans say it’s Very Likely the Democrats stole the election, but just as many Democrats (61%) say it’s Not At All Likely. Among unaffiliateds, 29% feel it’s a stolen election; 45% do not."

So it is in that 39% of Democrats that are left out of the 61% above that the detail for the 30% figure comes from ... interesting.

(details for for how that 39% breaks down to having 30% of democrats thinking that democrats stole the election from Trump -- set aside here: "Additional information from this survey and a full demographic breakdown are available to Platinum Members only.")


-- when was the last time that happened??

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Perhaps the two of you should get together and post a thread on that COMPLETELY different topic.

With you it is always the same topic no matter how you frame it.

Here is an example of what the other side is saying, and you should care about what some conservative news sites are saying. Not because they are right, but because society is headed for a collision that won't be good for anybody.

If people believe conspiracy theories and Trump’s lies it is on their heads.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

If we want healing, and avoiding a civil war, then re-count the votes in about 5 or 6 cities and prove the other side is wrong.

That’s the issue, 5 or 6 cities where fraud is an established art.