What form was the 2nd person of the Trinity (Jesus) in before He took on flesh?

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In reading the OT we can clearly see the 1st and 3rd persons of the Trinity in action but the 2nd person isn't as clear or visible, and we don't actually see Him. If you looked to the heavens before He took on flesh you'd see God the Father on His throne and the Holy Spirit but where is the 2nd person? If we look to the heavens now after He took on flesh we clearly see him by the right hand of His Father, we can also clearly see His form in the NT.

So my question is; in what form was the 2nd person of the Trinity before He took on flesh? Can you point Him out like you can point out the 1st and 3rd persons?
 

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In reading the OT we can clearly see the 1st and 3rd persons of the Trinity in action but the 2nd person isn't as clear or visible, and we don't actually see Him. If you looked to the heavens before He took on flesh you'd see God the Father on His throne and the Holy Spirit but where is the 2nd person? If we look to the heavens now after He took on flesh we clearly see him by the right hand of His Father, we can also clearly see His form in the NT.

So my question is; in what form was the 2nd person of the Trinity before He took on flesh? Can you point Him out like you can point out the 1st and 3rd persons?
Not flesh ...
 
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He has always been the fullness of The Godhead bodily. In old Testament as Angel of The Lord. The Captain of the army of God who Joshua worshipped. That was Jesus.
 
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He has always been the fullness of The Godhead bodily. In old Testament as Angel of The Lord. The Captain of the army of God who Joshua worshipped. That was Jesus.

He couldn't have been the "fullness of The Godhead bodily" because He hadn't taken on flesh yet. Also, the 2nd person of the Trinity isn't an angel He's God. Can you point out some scripture that shows Him?
 
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Joshua and The Captain. Abraham and the Angel of God who asked Sarah why she laughed. Jacob wrestling Angel of the Lord who renamed him Israel. To name a few.
 
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From nuances found in OT scriptures, 2nd Temple era Jews actually believed and taught there were two powers in heaven. Rabbinical scholar Alan Segal wrote a book on this, though he sees it as an example of early heretical thought. It wasn't considered heresy though until about the 2nd century. You should check out Dr Heiser's seminar on this, it's very exciting to realize there was a Godhead teaching in Judaism even before the time of Christ, which helps make sense how the Jewish disciples could accept Jesus as Divine without violating the Shema.

https://www.amazon.com/Two-Powers-Heaven-Christianity-Christology/dp/1602585490

 
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Here's an article that is good.

Col. 1 shows that His image is the same as God the Father- and Revelation paints this picture of Him - the Ancient of Days. God the Father is spirit, but also has form-as seen by Moses, and Ezek. 1, Dan. 7. He also appeared as a man, and is the Son of Man.

IMO, He had a spiritual "form" if you will, the same as the Father. But know one knows 100%.

Theophanies in the Old Testament
 
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Joshua and The Captain. Abraham and the Angel of God who asked Sarah why she laughed. Jacob wrestling Angel of the Lord who renamed him Israel. To name a few.

Those are angels. Do you know what an angel is or does? The 2nd person of the Trinity isn't an angel.
 
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From nuances found in OT scriptures, 2nd Temple era Jews actually believed and taught there were two powers in heaven. Rabbinical scholar Alan Segal wrote a book on this, though he sees it as an example of early heretical thought. It wasn't considered heresy though until about the 2nd century. You should check out Dr Heiser's seminar on this, it's very exciting to realize there was a Godhead teaching in Judaism even before the time of Christ, which helps make sense how the Jewish disciples could accept Jesus as Divine without violating the Shema.

https://www.amazon.com/Two-Powers-Heaven-Christianity-Christology/dp/1602585490


I understand completely what form the 2nd person of the Trinity was in before the birth of Jesus because scripture does tell us. Once you know His form He will pop out at you.
 
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In reading the OT we can clearly see the 1st and 3rd persons of the Trinity in action but the 2nd person isn't as clear or visible, and we don't actually see Him. If you looked to the heavens before He took on flesh you'd see God the Father on His throne and the Holy Spirit but where is the 2nd person? If we look to the heavens now after He took on flesh we clearly see him by the right hand of His Father, we can also clearly see His form in the NT.

So my question is; in what form was the 2nd person of the Trinity before He took on flesh? Can you point Him out like you can point out the 1st and 3rd persons?

According to the first Christians, for example, the angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses in a flame of fire out of a bush (Ex 3:2) was Christ himself.

Let's read Justin Martyr (100–165 AD): " For at that juncture, when Moses was ordered to go down into Egypt and lead out the people of the Israelites who were there, and while he was tending the flocks of his maternal uncle in the land of Arabia, our Christ conversed with him under the appearance of fire
from a bush, and said, “Put off thy shoes, and draw near and hear. And he, when he had put off his shoes and drawn near, heard that he was to go down into Egypt and lead out the people of the Israelites there; and he received mighty power from Christ, who spoke to him in the appearance of fire, and went down and led out the people
” (First Apology, LXII).
 
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The captain of the LORDs host in Joshua 5:14 would be just one example of a precarnate appearance of Christ in the OT. Notice Joshua worships him, and he doesn't forbid it (as any angel of the LORD would).

That was a 'man', not "precarnate" Jesus which there is no such thing. The 'man' was clearly sent from God, was he an angel or was he divine? Most likely an angel, since angels often appeared as men because that's how God normally communicated with man before he gave us His Spirit. If Jesus could just miraculously appear why would there have been a virgin birth? Why did Joshua bow to the man? Most likely as an act of reverence rather than worship. Joshua’s address of the commander as “lord” was probably a general term of respect and not one of reverence. I don't like to try and make up reasons for things that aren't told, that's extra-biblical and it creates false beliefs.

I'm asking you what form the 2nd person of the Trinity was in before He took on flesh. I'm not looking for scripture foretelling His coming but His actual form. This isn't a trick question and the answer is in scripture, and once you understand the answer you'll clearly see Him throughout the OT.
 
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Joshua and The Captain. Abraham and the Angel of God who asked Sarah why she laughed. Jacob wrestling Angel of the Lord who renamed him Israel. To name a few.

Again, Jesus isn't an angel. The answer is in scripture and I know you've seen it dozens of times, but as I'm sure you know how you can read a verse of scripture and it doesn't seem to mean a lot at the time then on the 50th reading you get a revelation from God on His intent and your mind is blown.

Keep digging.
 
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So my question is; in what form was the 2nd person of the Trinity before He took on flesh? Can you point Him out like you can point out the 1st and 3rd persons?

Keep digging.

So you don't have an actual question then; you're just building up to reveal whatever unorthodox theology you're selling.
 
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