What exactly are the standards?

[disciple Clint]

What exactly are the standards? That seems to depend totally on who you are and or what party affiliations you have.

Does anyone remember this tragic story?

White teen kicked out of college after N-word video resurfaces

Dec 29, 2020A high school cheerleader had her college "dream" shattered when a black classmate arbitrarily posted a years-old video of her saying the N-word, “Mimi was a kid when she did this,” attorney Shan Wu told Fox News Monday. “She’s appalled, and having said that, she’s not trying to excuse [her actions] in any way.”

“What she lost was her dream,” the lawyer added. “Like many athletes, she had worked most of her young adult life for a shot at going to a great school and being on their team. That was taken away from her in what can only be described as a rush to judgement.”

Now compare that to this:

A Texas county’s Democratic Party rejected the resignation of its chairman Tuesday, days after he described Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) as an “oreo.”

Texas Dems reject resignation of pol calling Sen. Tim Scott 'oreo'

 

[Bradskii]

You seem to want to make a point rather than ask what could be a genuinely vaid question.

I guess you were asking exactly what is acceptable these days. And I'm with you. It's confusing. We have our inbuilt prejudices and we have to work out what's acceptable and what isn't. How should we approach this problem?

 

[muichimotsu]

You're using 2 examples with entirely different contexts and claiming that both must be some Democrat hypocrisy, as if anyone is claiming there isn't hypocrisy on both sides

One is a student held to task by a college in applications as to her saying a racial slur, which is problematic in that it would border on a form of doxxing.

The other is an elected representative that's using a term that, while not on the level of the n word, has problematic implications that suggest internalized racism or such, not unlike the term Uncle Tom in its own respect

 

[A_Thinker]

What exactly are the standards? That seems to depend totally on who you are and or what party affiliations you have.

Does anyone remember this tragic story?

White teen kicked out of college after N-word video resurfaces

Dec 29, 2020A high school cheerleader had her college "dream" shattered when a black classmate arbitrarily posted a years-old video of her saying the N-word, “Mimi was a kid when she did this,” attorney Shan Wu told Fox News Monday. “She’s appalled, and having said that, she’s not trying to excuse [her actions] in any way.”

“What she lost was her dream,” the lawyer added. “Like many athletes, she had worked most of her young adult life for a shot at going to a great school and being on their team. That was taken away from her in what can only be described as a rush to judgement.”

Now compare that to this:

A Texas county’s Democratic Party rejected the resignation of its chairman Tuesday, days after he described Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) as an “oreo.”

Texas Dems reject resignation of pol calling Sen. Tim Scott 'oreo'

Those two designations are at far different levels of offense.

Most people like oreos ...

 

[A_Thinker]

You seem to want to make a point rather than ask what could be a genuinely vaid question.

I guess you were asking exactly what is acceptable these days. And I'm with you. It's confusing. We have our inbuilt prejudices and we have to work out what's acceptable and what isn't. How should we approach this problem?

I think that offense can be measured in terms of "effect" ... and "societal agreement".

As an African-American, I can assure you that there would be radically more offense taken at being called the "N-word", as compared to being called an "oreo" ... and American society seems to agree ...

 

[essentialsaltes]

Which of those two words can you type on the forums?

Do the standards here "depend totally on who you are and or what party affiliations you have"?

 

[SummerMadness]

Which of those two words can you type on the forums?

Do the standards here "depend totally on who you are and or what party affiliations you have"?

I think that pretty much sums up this thread. Question answered.

 

[Bradskii]

I think that pretty much sums up this thread. Question answered.

I've never heard anyone say "the 'O' word"...

 

[essentialsaltes]

I've never heard anyone say "the 'O' word"...

Do they have Oreos in Australia? Do they have Vegemite flavor?

 

[Bradskii]

Do they have Oreos in Australia? Do they have Vegemite flavor?

We have them. But gee, they're pretty disgusting as far as I'm concerned. But then I guess Vegemite isn't to everyone's tastes.

 

[CatsRule2020]

I think all the anti-white political incorrectness is coming from our overseas Communist 'friends'.

It is more politically correct to throw the term 'oreo' at a black person because it is denigrating white people more so than that black person.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It is more politically correct to throw the term 'oreo' at a black person because it is denigrating white people more so than that black person.

Hahaha. 'I feel a little bad for Tim Scott, but really... aren't white people the real victims here?'

 

[renniks]

They are both stupid reasons to lose a job or career. People say dumb stuff. Get over it.

 

[disciple Clint]

You're using 2 examples with entirely different contexts and claiming that both must be some Democrat hypocrisy, as if anyone is claiming there isn't hypocrisy on both sides

One is a student held to task by a college in applications as to her saying a racial slur, which is problematic in that it would border on a form of doxxing.

The other is an elected representative that's using a term that, while not on the level of the n word, has problematic implications that suggest internalized racism or such, not unlike the term Uncle Tom in its own respect

This was not intended to be totally political, the question is how should people react when insults of ruffly equal types are made, it seems to me the girl who was less likely to understand the significance of her comments and possibly thinking she was being cool by speaking like she had heard others in her age group speak got the worst part of the deal when compared to a man who knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[muichimotsu]

This was not intended to be totally political, the question is how should people react when insults of ruffly equal types are made, it seems to me the girl who was less likely to understand the significance of her comments and possibly thinking she was being cool by speaking like she had heard others in her age group speak got the worst part of the deal when compared to a man who knew exactly what he was doing.

Those aren't roughly equal at all, the n word and oreo in the context used are as different as night and day. I can think of plenty of racial slurs that are equivalent and oreo doesn't necessarily fit into that in the same way banana does for another racial group

I'm not saying the college one was entirely justified, but if you're going to respect the idea that they should have some freedom to discern who they want there (and not have to deal with the similar issues that come about with racial slurs used BY college students at the college, which has happened a lot in my experience), then that decision should be respected: it's why you have backup colleges.

 

[disciple Clint]

Those aren't roughly equal at all, the n word and oreo in the context used are as different as night and day. I can think of plenty of racial slurs that are equivalent and oreo doesn't necessarily fit into that in the same way banana does for another racial group

I'm not saying the college one was entirely justified, but if you're going to respect the idea that they should have some freedom to discern who they want there (and not have to deal with the similar issues that come about with racial slurs used BY college students at the college, which has happened a lot in my experience), then that decision should be respected: it's why you have backup colleges.

OK let me ask you a serious question, why is it ok for a black person to call another black person the N word but if a white person uses the same term in the same way it is a major issue, I think in her case she was not trying to make a derogatory statement she was repeating what she thought was cool, remember now she was around 14 at the time.

 

[Bradskii]

OK let me ask you a serious question, why is it ok for a black person to call another black person the N word but if a white person uses the same term in the same way it is a major issue, I think in her case she was not trying to make a derogatory statement she was repeating what she thought was cool, remember now she was around 14 at the time.

Because they took ownership of the term. You haven't been granted permission to use it.

Something similar happened in Australia with immigrants from the south of the Mediterranean. They were derogatorily known as 'wogs' and the term was widely used (which astonished me when I first came here as the term was extremely racist in the UK at the time). But they 'took ownership' of the word and began to refer to themselves as such. To such an extent that the term is now generally used in a light hearted manner. There was even a play written by some Greek comedians called Wogs Out Of Work To be a wog or not to be | Neos Kosmos

Can't see the equivalent happening in the States.

 

[Nithavela]

The fact that you don't refer to Oreo as the "O-Word" should be a clue.

That said, I don't think people should have their life destroyed by saying one wrong thing while on camera.

 

[A_Thinker]

OK let me ask you a serious question, why is it ok for a black person to call another black person the N word but if a white person uses the same term in the same way it is a major issue, I think in her case she was not trying to make a derogatory statement she was repeating what she thought was cool, remember now she was around 14 at the time.

It's not so black and white as that, actually.

Some white people do use the N word, ... but if they use it publicly (i.e. outside of their niche), there will likely be consequences.

Black people may also use the N word, and will also face the consequence of their usage of it. The word is rarely used publicly, except in extremely niche commercial ventures. Black people can get into serious (life or death) trouble for using the word to offend their hearers, ... otoh, if its use is intimate ... and not for offense, ... then it can be acceptable to some hearers.

I dare say most of American blacks don't use the word, and its usage is certainly frowned upon socially. Though, once again, there is a small niche of the black population which will use the word (in their social settings) for street cred.

Also, the N word is used, by those blacks who use it non-offensively, as a way to take some of the sting out of the word by taking some control over its usage.

For reasons of personal circumstance, non-blacks cannot claim to use the word in any of these more non-offensive ways. Their usage of it will publicly (i.e. outside of their own circle), will almost always be seen as being offensive, ... and consequences for its use may have to be faced.

It's really not a situation where some may use the word ... and some may not, but that ALL must be prepared to face the social (or personal) cost ... of using the word.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Do they have Oreos in Australia? Do they have Vegemite flavor?

Yes, but we also have Tim Tams, which are on a whole other level of awesomeness.