I have asked this question in a no. of debate forums when the topic of Jesus resurrection has arisen, but have never yet had anybody attempt to answer the question, so will start a new thread on the topic, to see if I can get any sensible responses.
For the purpose of this discussion, I am not attempting to prove or disprove that Jesus resurrection actually occured or not. For the purpose of this discussion I will just assume that it did.
The question is however, what does jesus resurrection actually prove?
If you say that it proves that jesus was god, or gods son. then there is a problem, because around 6 other people were apparently resurrected according to the new testament. So does this prove that they are also gods, or gods son's? If it dosnt, then the resurrection cannot prove that jesus was a god, or gods son.
If you say that it proves that jesus is god or gods son, because he was resurected after 3 days, again there is a problem, because Lazarus was apparently resurrected after 4 days, which would make Lazarus resurrection even more miraculous than Jesus resurrection.
If you say that Jesus was able to perform resurrections himself, & that proves he is god, or gods son, again there is a problem, because in the book of acts, both Peter & Paul are reported to have performed resurrections of dead people.
So Jesus being resurrected does not prove that he is a god, or else we have at least 6 gods in the new testament. Jesus being able to resurrect people also does not prove he was a god, or else Peter & Paul must also be gods.
The Jews also accused Jesus of performing his miracles by magic or through demons (beezlebub), so apparently the jews believed that demons were capable of performing resurrections.
So even if we could prove that Jesus WAS resurrected, how can we know that the resurrection was performed through the power of god, & not through the work of a demon? Maybe Satan resurrected Jesus, because Satan knew that this would cause people to worship a false god?
The christian faith is using the Jewish bible as the foundation stone of their religion, yet they are claiming that the Jews can not interpret their own bible correctly, & that only they can interpret it.
Yet when I hear Jewish Rabbi's such as Rabbi Michael Skobac or Rabbi Tovia Singer explain bible passages that christians CLAIM to be prophecy about Jesus, it is easy to see when they are put into the correct context that these prophecies are not about Jesus at all.
So this is the evidence we have:
1. The resurrection can not prove that Jesus was god or the son of god, because other people were also resurrected in the bible, & they can not all be gods or the son of god.
2. The time that Jesus was dead before being resurrected also is not proof of anything, because Lazarus was apparently dead for a day longer then Jesus before being resurrected.
3. Being able to resurrect people is not proof that you are a god or the son of god, because both Peter & Paul were able to resurrect people.
4. Jesus, Peter & Paul were all accused by the jews of doing their work through demons. It cannot be proven that this is not the case. There is no proof that god was the agency through which their miracles were performed.
5. It can not be proven that any prophecies in the bible were actually about jesus, because jewish rabbis can easily come up with better interpretations of the passages claimed by christian apologists that do not involve jesus.
6. Jesus fulfilled none of the prophecies expected of the messiah, which is why the jews did not accept jesus as the messiah. the followers of jesus also knew that he did not fulfill any prophecies, which is why he apparently has to come a 2nd time to fulfill the prophecies.
7. Jesus apparently had to change his mind on many things after his crucifiction, because there was no traction on getting the jews to believe that he was the messiah. Jesus had to send a 2nd messenger (Paul of Tarsus) to convert the gentiles, because the uptake by jews was so low. In fact the majority of the theology of christianity comes from Paul, not from Jesus.
You would think that jesus, if he were a god or the son of god, would have had the foresight to know this beforehand, & either change the laws himself, or else prophecy that another messenger would come after him to convert the gentiles. He failed to do this. We know from the letters of Paul that there were severe disagreements between Paul & the other apostles, which could have been avoided if jesus had let them know beforehand of his intentions. There are even discussions today in some christian communities about wether Paul of tarsus was a true messenger of god.
8. Jesus gave a time frame of when he was supposed to return, to accomplish the prophecies of the messiah. It was supposed to be in the generation of the apostles who were with jesus at the time. Yet he never returned as he stated he would. At the very least this makes jesus a false prophet.
Christians say that satan is a huge deciever, who is very cunning, & can decieve the whole world. How do we know that satan is not deceiving christians right now, by getting them to believe in jesus? The evidence that christians can put foward for jesus being the messiah is no more compelling than the evidence that Jews can put forward that jesus is NOT the messiah.
If god made the jews his chosen people, there is no reason he would have abandoned them now. If jesus was indeed the messiah, you would think that god would have been smart enough to make the prophecies to the jews crystal clear, so that there was absolutely no doubt in their mind that Jesus was indeed the prophesied messiah. The fact that the claimed prophecies about Jesus are so vague that they can so easily be dismissed by the jews would mean that god deliberately wants the jews & others to be decieved, or else they are not prophecies about Jesus at all, & satan is the one who is deceiving the christians!
For the purpose of this discussion, I am not attempting to prove or disprove that Jesus resurrection actually occured or not. For the purpose of this discussion I will just assume that it did.
The question is however, what does jesus resurrection actually prove?
If you say that it proves that jesus was god, or gods son. then there is a problem, because around 6 other people were apparently resurrected according to the new testament. So does this prove that they are also gods, or gods son's? If it dosnt, then the resurrection cannot prove that jesus was a god, or gods son.
If you say that it proves that jesus is god or gods son, because he was resurected after 3 days, again there is a problem, because Lazarus was apparently resurrected after 4 days, which would make Lazarus resurrection even more miraculous than Jesus resurrection.
If you say that Jesus was able to perform resurrections himself, & that proves he is god, or gods son, again there is a problem, because in the book of acts, both Peter & Paul are reported to have performed resurrections of dead people.
So Jesus being resurrected does not prove that he is a god, or else we have at least 6 gods in the new testament. Jesus being able to resurrect people also does not prove he was a god, or else Peter & Paul must also be gods.
The Jews also accused Jesus of performing his miracles by magic or through demons (beezlebub), so apparently the jews believed that demons were capable of performing resurrections.
So even if we could prove that Jesus WAS resurrected, how can we know that the resurrection was performed through the power of god, & not through the work of a demon? Maybe Satan resurrected Jesus, because Satan knew that this would cause people to worship a false god?
The christian faith is using the Jewish bible as the foundation stone of their religion, yet they are claiming that the Jews can not interpret their own bible correctly, & that only they can interpret it.
Yet when I hear Jewish Rabbi's such as Rabbi Michael Skobac or Rabbi Tovia Singer explain bible passages that christians CLAIM to be prophecy about Jesus, it is easy to see when they are put into the correct context that these prophecies are not about Jesus at all.
So this is the evidence we have:
1. The resurrection can not prove that Jesus was god or the son of god, because other people were also resurrected in the bible, & they can not all be gods or the son of god.
2. The time that Jesus was dead before being resurrected also is not proof of anything, because Lazarus was apparently dead for a day longer then Jesus before being resurrected.
3. Being able to resurrect people is not proof that you are a god or the son of god, because both Peter & Paul were able to resurrect people.
4. Jesus, Peter & Paul were all accused by the jews of doing their work through demons. It cannot be proven that this is not the case. There is no proof that god was the agency through which their miracles were performed.
5. It can not be proven that any prophecies in the bible were actually about jesus, because jewish rabbis can easily come up with better interpretations of the passages claimed by christian apologists that do not involve jesus.
6. Jesus fulfilled none of the prophecies expected of the messiah, which is why the jews did not accept jesus as the messiah. the followers of jesus also knew that he did not fulfill any prophecies, which is why he apparently has to come a 2nd time to fulfill the prophecies.
7. Jesus apparently had to change his mind on many things after his crucifiction, because there was no traction on getting the jews to believe that he was the messiah. Jesus had to send a 2nd messenger (Paul of Tarsus) to convert the gentiles, because the uptake by jews was so low. In fact the majority of the theology of christianity comes from Paul, not from Jesus.
You would think that jesus, if he were a god or the son of god, would have had the foresight to know this beforehand, & either change the laws himself, or else prophecy that another messenger would come after him to convert the gentiles. He failed to do this. We know from the letters of Paul that there were severe disagreements between Paul & the other apostles, which could have been avoided if jesus had let them know beforehand of his intentions. There are even discussions today in some christian communities about wether Paul of tarsus was a true messenger of god.
8. Jesus gave a time frame of when he was supposed to return, to accomplish the prophecies of the messiah. It was supposed to be in the generation of the apostles who were with jesus at the time. Yet he never returned as he stated he would. At the very least this makes jesus a false prophet.
Christians say that satan is a huge deciever, who is very cunning, & can decieve the whole world. How do we know that satan is not deceiving christians right now, by getting them to believe in jesus? The evidence that christians can put foward for jesus being the messiah is no more compelling than the evidence that Jews can put forward that jesus is NOT the messiah.
If god made the jews his chosen people, there is no reason he would have abandoned them now. If jesus was indeed the messiah, you would think that god would have been smart enough to make the prophecies to the jews crystal clear, so that there was absolutely no doubt in their mind that Jesus was indeed the prophesied messiah. The fact that the claimed prophecies about Jesus are so vague that they can so easily be dismissed by the jews would mean that god deliberately wants the jews & others to be decieved, or else they are not prophecies about Jesus at all, & satan is the one who is deceiving the christians!