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What does the New Testament Prophet look like?

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by hislegacy, Jan 2, 2021.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy Respect to those who we lost

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    There were prophets in the Old Testament, but did their form and function change in the NT?

    In the OT - the Spirit of God came about the King, Priest and Prophet with the Prophet functioning for the most part as a guide.

    In the NT the Spirit of God comes on every believer. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God.

    Case in point, there is not one instance of a person being led by a Prophet in the NT.

    So staying with the NT - describe the 'office' of a Prophet.
     
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  2. topher694

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    A new testament Prophet is not much different than and OT one, except in the ways all Christianity is different in the NT. The NT office of a prophet is an extension of the headship of Jesus (as are all 5 fold ministers). A NT prophet is the voice of God in areas and situations that go beyond the gift of prophecy. Like prophesying to regions or nations or people groups, or in establishing new wine skin approaches that go beyond currently established order and vision of a ministery, or identifying other 5 fold callings to name a few.
     
  3. hislegacy

    hislegacy Respect to those who we lost

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    interesting can you show me an example in the Epistles?
     
  4. disciple Clint

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    Prophet Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
    Bible Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Prophet
    Prophet
    (Heb. nabi, from a root meaning "to bubble forth, as from a fountain," hence "to utter", Compare Psalms 45:1 ). This Hebrew word is the first and the most generally used for a prophet. In the time of Samuel another word, ro'eh , "seer", began to be used ( 1 Samuel 9:9 ). It occurs seven times in reference to Samuel. Afterwards another word, hozeh , "seer" ( 2 Samuel 24:11 ), was employed. In 1 Chronicles 29:29 all these three words are used: "Samuel the seer (ro'eh), Nathan the prophet (nabi'), Gad the seer" (hozeh). In Josh 13:22Balaam is called (Heb.) a kosem "diviner," a word used only of a false prophet.

    The "prophet" proclaimed the message given to him, as the "seer" beheld the vision of God. (See Numbers 12:6 Numbers 12:8 .) Thus a prophet was a spokesman for God; he spake in God's name and by his authority ( Exodus 7:1 ). He is the mouth by which God speaks to men ( Jeremiah 1:9 ; Isaiah 51:16 ), and hence what the prophet says is not of man but of God ( 2 Peter 1:20 2 Peter 1:21 ; Compare Hebrews 3:7 ; Acts 4:25 ; 28:25 ). Prophets were the immediate organs of God for the communication of his mind and will to men ( Deuteronomy 18:18 Deuteronomy 18:19 ). The whole Word of God may in this general sense be spoken of as prophetic, inasmuch as it was written by men who received the revelation they communicated from God, no matter what its nature might be. The foretelling of future events was not a necessary but only an incidental part of the prophetic office. The great task assigned to the prophets whom God raised up among the people was "to correct moral and religious abuses, to proclaim the great moral and religious truths which are connected with the character of God, and which lie at the foundation of his government."

    Any one being a spokesman for God to man might thus be called a prophet. Thus Enoch, Abraham, and the patriarchs, as bearers of God's message ( Genesis 20:7 ; Exodus 7:1 ; Psalms 105:15 ), as also Moses ( Deuteronomy 18:15 ; 34:10 ; Hosea 12:13 ), are ranked among the prophets. The seventy elders of Israel ( Numbers 11:16-29 ), "when the spirit rested upon them, prophesied;" Asaph and Jeduthun "prophesied with a harp" ( 1 Chronicles 25:3 ). Miriam and Deborah were prophetesses ( Exodus 15:20 ; Judges 4:4 ). The title thus has a general application to all who have messages from God to men.

    But while the prophetic gift was thus exercised from the beginning, the prophetical order as such began with Samuel. Colleges, "schools of the prophets", were instituted for the training of prophets, who were constituted, a distinct order ( 1 Samuel 19:18-24 ; 2 Kings 1 Samuel 2:3 1 Samuel 2:15 ; 4:38 ), which continued to the close of the Old Testament. Such "schools" were established at Ramah, Bethel, Gilgal, Gibeah, and Jericho. The "sons" or "disciples" of the prophets were young men ( 2 Kings 5:22 ; 2 Kings 9:1 2 Kings 9:4 ) who lived together at these different "schools" ( 4:38-41 ). These young men were taught not only the rudiments of secular knowledge, but they were brought up to exercise the office of prophet, "to preach pure morality and the heart-felt worship of Jehovah, and to act along and co-ordinately with the priesthood and monarchy in guiding the state aright and checking all attempts at illegality and tyranny."

    In New Testament times the prophetical office was continued. Our Lord is frequently spoken of as a prophet ( Luke 13:33 ; 24:19 ). He was and is the great Prophet of the Church. There was also in the Church a distinct order of prophets ( 1 Corinthians 12:28 ; Ephesians 2:20 ; 3:5 ), who made new revelations from God. They differed from the "teacher," whose office it was to impart truths already revealed.
     
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  5. disciple Clint

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    Who Were the New Testament Prophets?
    Don Stewart :: Who Were the New Testament Prophets?
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    As there were prophets during the Old Testament era so there were prophets during the time of the New Testament. Scripture speaks of a group of people in the New Testament known as the prophets. John wrote.

    But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!" (Revelation 22:9).

    The New Testament Prophets Spoke God's Truth
    As was true in the Old Testament period, the main job of the New Testament prophets was to speak forth the Word of God. The writings of the New Testament prophets carried the same authority as writings of the Old Testament prophets. Jesus said His words were given by God the Father

    Then Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine but his who sent me" (John 7:16).

    He also said.

    For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it (John 12:49).

    According to Jesus, the source of His words was God the Father.

    The Prophets Were Leaders In The Early Church

    The prophets are among the distinctive leaders of the new order. Paul wrote.

    The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teacher (Ephesians 4:11).

    The prophets spoke for edification, exhortation, and comfort.

    For those who speak in a tongue do not speak to other people but to God; for nobody understands them, since they are speaking mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, those who prophesy speak to other people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation (1 Corinthians 14:2,3).

    The Church Was Built Upon The Foundation Of The Apostles And Prophets
    The Bible says that the church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Paul wrote.

    Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20).

    There Is An Important Distinction Between The Prophets And The Role Of The Church
    The Bible does not say that the apostles and prophets were built upon the church but that the church was built upon the apostles and prophets. This is an important distinction. The church did not bestow apostolic and prophetic authority upon certain people. It was the Holy Spirit who chose certain people to receive and deliver the truth of God. The church could never authorize a prophet - they could merely recognize a prophet. Neither the congregation of Israel, during the time of the Old Testament, nor the church, during the New Testament era, ever ordained anyone to the prophetic ministry. This was the job of God alone.

    Summary

    As there were prophets during the Old Testament era there were also prophets during the time of the New Testament.

    The job of the New Testament prophets was similar to that of their Old Testament counterparts. They were to speak forth the Word of God to the people.

    The church was built upon the foundation of these individuals - they were the leaders of the new order. The prophets were those individuals whom God selected. No church or organization had or has the authority to declare someone a prophet. This was something that was determined by God alone.
     
  6. topher694

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    Ephesians 4 contrasted to 1 Cor 14 for authority
    Gospels where Jesus is called a Prophet, OT Prophet examples and personal experience for the specifics and overall "tone"
     
  7. SpiritPsalmist

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    Actually, there are some instances in the Book of Acts with people being led by the prophetic word. It was not quite like many operate in today's churches where I think there is more charlatan than a true prophet. I don't think the office given by God is any different in the Newer Testament than in the Older Testament. The prophet is to speak for God and guide people to HIS word which guides them perfectly through life. Sadly, many do not know God's word, and instead, seek out a prophet.
     
  8. hislegacy

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    can you cite chapter and verse please.
     
  9. hislegacy

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    Acts 16:Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia.

    I can find instances of being led by the Holy Spirit. Cannot seem to find NT examples of being led by Prophets.
     
  10. hislegacy

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    Even Agabus a recognized Prophet was not leading Paul.

    God already showed Paul the things he would go through.
     
  11. topher694

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    Being led by a prophet is being led by the Holy Spirit
     
  12. hislegacy

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    Completely disagree.

    Being led by the Holy Spirit is hearing the Spirit and following him.

    There is one between man and God and that is Jesus not a man.
     
  13. topher694

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    So, whose voice is the Prophet hearing and releasing?
     
  14. hislegacy

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    I believe the Office of the Prophet is part and parcel of what we called the five fold ministry and is very much needed in the church today. I believe the "office" of the Prophet has be misinterpreted and misplaced and because of that the Gift is not used properly.

    Being led by a prophet is no where in the New Testament. Why? because Paul plainly stated in Romans 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    Paul gave no instructions to hear God through an office and teaching so is not scriptural.

    Jesus said: John 10:26 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

    Additionally, the NT Prophets were not independent agents as so many are today, they were in the church. Part of leadership. Not acting as a be all, end all, but submitting one to another.
     
  15. topher694

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    You didn't answer my question.

    Prophets are just one of the ways we can be led by the spirit of God.

    And there are examples. You just don't want to see them. I agree free agents are not good, but that doesn't disqualify the importance of those who do it right.
     
  16. hislegacy

    hislegacy Respect to those who we lost

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    I did answer your statement -

    No - there is zero - no instruction that Believers are to be led by Prophets.

    That teaching is not supported by scripture
     
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    [Acts 21:7-14 NASB]
    7 When we had finished the voyage from Tyre, we arrived at Ptolemais, and after greeting the brethren, we stayed with them for a day. 8 On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses. 10 As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: 'In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'" 12 When we had heard this, we as well as the local residents [began] begging him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but even to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." 14 And since he would not be persuaded, we fell silent, remarking, "The will of the Lord be done!"​

    • Does it mean nothing to the believers present that the Holy Spirit revealed what would happen before it happened and the prophecy came true?
    • Does it mean nothing that Paul KNEW what awaited him and CHOSE to go to Jerusalem?
    • Does it mean nothing to the Church gathered with that prophet that Paul was willing to go and even to die for the Lord and the Church was trusting the matter into the hands of God and His will?
    • Is the function and purpose of a Prophet in the Book of Acts really any different than a prophet in the OT?
    • Does the Church ... the Body of Christ living today ... really have no need for what a Prophet had to offer?
     
  18. 2PhiloVoid

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    Whether or not there is an actual "office" for prophets in the N.T., I think we can at least see some minimal evidence that prophets are to be occasionally expeced in and around the Church and listened to when inspired by the Lord, even in our current New Testament era.

    What else is there to say about it? I'd think that when a true prophet of the Lord shows up, we'd know it in a fair amount of time. Agabus in the book of Acts is but one example, and along with him, by inference, so are the four daughters of Philip the Evangelist.

    And that's about all I have to say about that issue.

    ok. I'm done. :cool:
     
  19. topher694

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    No, you absolutely in no way answered my question: whose voice is the Prophet hearing and releasing?

    Yes, there absolutely 100% is scriptural support to be guided by prophets. That in no way removes our responsibility to test and evaluate the words they release.

    You are flat out wrong on this. I think you are looking at it far to narrowly.
     
  20. hislegacy

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    Agabus was NOT telling Paul what he needed for direction -

    Why because God already told him.

    Acts 9:1515 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16 for I will show him how much he must suffer in behalf of My name.

    Agabus was NOT giving him direction, he was confirming something Paul was already told.

    You can see that in his reply to his followers:

    12 When we had heard this, we as well as the local residents [began] begging him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but even to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." 14 And since he would not be persuaded, we fell silent, remarking, "The will of the Lord be done!"​

    I believe the Prophet in the New Testament church is just as needed and vital as the other four of the five fold ministry gifts. That is why they are regarded as "gifts unto men"

    Eph 4:11 And He gave some as Apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelist, some as Pastors and Teachers.
    Their purpose is in the very next verse:

    Eph 4:12 "For the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the Body of Christ ".
     
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