What does the Bible say about illegal immigration?

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I can generally agree with this....but....well, it happens that because of some Native American blood, and the actual fact that lands we had with a treaty were actually forcibly taken away from us (Choctaw and Chickasaw)...well... by careful rule following then...

If you want to be a stickler....

Then...

?....do you want to eject a lot of modern Americans from their illegally taken lands?

And give the land back?

Just asking. I'm definitely not holding you responsible.

Just wondering about following that rule to a stickler level.
can I interject? If we are conforming to the law of the land, there should be no problem no matter how horrific our ancestors were. We cannot go back in time and change what other people did but we can move forward in peace, compassion, grace, and justice. That would apply for all of history.
 
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If you like myself have worked with Latin Americans for many years, you would probably know how migrants face constant pressures of a nationalist nature from those who are pleased to define them as 'other'.
It is quite wrong to think that our country or our present administration make immigration policies with any nationalist drumbeating OR for that matter, that the citizens who favor a sensible and workable immigration system are moved by such considerations either.

Of course, there are some people in the country who probably could be so characterized, but the following appeared to be speaking of the governments attitude, immigration procedures, and requirements.

I agree that those without proper documentation should be encouraged to obtain it in a proper and legal manner.

I don't get the nationalist drumbeating, however, in whatever jurisdiction.

And I HAVE worked with Latin immigrants for years!
 
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Look at how many people who have been trying to regularize their status have been refused in the US. Many of them come to Canada and are received. This a huge trend which has existed for many years. It's all very well to take the view: "Blame them! Persecute them! and then at the same time, Let them get residence and citizenship in Canada!" :)

i've advocated for many who've attempted to regularize their status.

They KEEP AT IT.

They are ALREADY in the system, indicating that THAT is their intention, to become a citizen.
 
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Note: We wholeheartedly believe that Christians are called to be compassionate and merciful towards immigrants (Exodus 25:35; Leviticus 10:33-34; Matthew 25:35). We also believe that the United States should have a more compassionate and merciful immigration policy. However, that is not the question at hand. The question at hand is whether it is wrong to violate a nation's borders and transgress its immigration laws.

Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces you to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a governmental law. There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts a nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is a sin, rebellion against God, to illegally enter another country.

Illegal immigration is definitely a controversial issue in the United States (and some other countries) today. Some argue that the immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discriminatory – giving individuals justification to immigrate illegally. However, Romans 13:1-7 does not give any permission to violate a law just because it is unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of a law. The only biblical reason to violate a governmental law is if that law violates God's Word. When Paul wrote the book of Romans, he was under the authority of the Roman Empire, led by perhaps the most evil of all the Roman emperors, Nero. Under that reign, there were many laws that were unfair, unjust, and/or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to submit to the government.

Are the immigration laws of the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but that is not the issue. All developed countries in the world have immigration laws, some more strict than the USA and some less strict than the USA. There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment and/or deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping from poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve something "good." Caring for the poor, orphans, and widows is something the Bible commands us to do (Galatians 2:10; James 1:27; 2:2-15). However, the biblical fact that we are to care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration is, therefore, also a violation of God's Word. Those seeking to emigrate to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, these reasons do not give a person the right to violate a law.

What is the biblical solution to illegal immigration? Simple – don't do it; obey the laws. If disobedience is not a biblical option, what can be done in regards to an unjust immigration law? It is completely within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration laws. If it is your conviction that an immigration law is unjust, do everything that is legally within your power to get the law changed: pray, petition, vote, peacefully protest, etc. As Christians, we should be the first to seek to change any law that is unjust. At the same time, we are also to demonstrate our submission to God by obeying the government He has placed in authority over us.

"Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God" (1 Peter 2:13–16).

Recommended Resources: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch and Logos Bible Software.

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Laws are laws. Illegals must be deported. Period.
 
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What do you think we should do about this:

Trail of Tears - Wikipedia

It's not an abstract question. My Great Aunt Brunetta told me about this in great detail when I was age 8, 9, 10....

It's quite real.

This really happened.

What has this got to do with my post you quoted, my friend?
 
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It is quite wrong to think that our country or our present administration make immigration policies with any nationalist drumbeating OR for that matter, that the citizens who favor a sensible and workable immigration system are moved by such considerations either.

Of course, there are some people in the country who probably could be so characterized, but the following appeared to be speaking of the governments immigration procedures and requirements.



And I HAVE worked with Latin immigrants for years!
I agree that there must be profound differences in perception! :)
 
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What has this got to do with my post you quoted, my friend?

Well....

Illegal immigrants came, and took over, and ejected us from our land.

(as it happens brutally, a forced march in winter with great hardship and unkindly, and causing deaths to innocents that did not fight back)

The marchers were subject to extortion and violence along the route. In addition, these final contingents were forced to set out during the hottest and coldest months of the year, killing many. Exposure to the elements, disease and starvation, harassment by local frontiersmen, and insufficient rations similarly killed up to one-third of the Choctaw and other nations on the march.
Trail of Tears - Wikipedia


Just a fact.

What do you think we should do about that?

My thought: let those that now holding our ancestral lands stay!

I forgive them.
 
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Note: We wholeheartedly believe that Christians are called to be compassionate and merciful towards immigrants (Exodus 25:35; Leviticus 10:33-34; Matthew 25:35). We also believe that the United States should have a more compassionate and merciful immigration policy. However, that is not the question at hand. The question at hand is whether it is wrong to violate a nation's borders and transgress its immigration laws.

Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces you to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a governmental law. There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts a nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is a sin, rebellion against God, to illegally enter another country.

Illegal immigration is definitely a controversial issue in the United States (and some other countries) today. Some argue that the immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discriminatory – giving individuals justification to immigrate illegally. However, Romans 13:1-7 does not give any permission to violate a law just because it is unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of a law. The only biblical reason to violate a governmental law is if that law violates God's Word. When Paul wrote the book of Romans, he was under the authority of the Roman Empire, led by perhaps the most evil of all the Roman emperors, Nero. Under that reign, there were many laws that were unfair, unjust, and/or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to submit to the government.

Are the immigration laws of the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but that is not the issue. All developed countries in the world have immigration laws, some more strict than the USA and some less strict than the USA. There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment and/or deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping from poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve something "good." Caring for the poor, orphans, and widows is something the Bible commands us to do (Galatians 2:10; James 1:27; 2:2-15). However, the biblical fact that we are to care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration is, therefore, also a violation of God's Word. Those seeking to emigrate to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, these reasons do not give a person the right to violate a law.

What is the biblical solution to illegal immigration? Simple – don't do it; obey the laws. If disobedience is not a biblical option, what can be done in regards to an unjust immigration law? It is completely within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration laws. If it is your conviction that an immigration law is unjust, do everything that is legally within your power to get the law changed: pray, petition, vote, peacefully protest, etc. As Christians, we should be the first to seek to change any law that is unjust. At the same time, we are also to demonstrate our submission to God by obeying the government He has placed in authority over us.

"Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God" (1 Peter 2:13–16).

Recommended Resources: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch and Logos Bible Software.

Source: www.gotquestions.org


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I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, with.that being said I'm also not a fan of a nonliving entities that have no consciousness claiming ownership of the world and warring with each other and dominating the human race...
 
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Illegal immigrants came, and took over, and ejected us from our land.
Just a fact.
What do you think we should do about that?
My thought: let them stay!
I forgive them.

Kinda like the situation with Europeans and their descendants vs. Native Americans in an earlier time, huh?
 
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Well....

Illegal immigrants came, and took over, and ejected us from our land.

Just a fact.

What do you think we should do about that?

My thought: let them stay!

I forgive them.

"There was a Native American married to a Canadian from the First Nations. The husband was ill and used legally-obtained cannabis bought at a vending machine in Canada to relieve his pain. They went to a church and enjoyed the Word and the prayers and the songs of praise. However, because the husband was known to have used cannabis and because they lived on the reservation, and because they didn't homeschool their children and because the wife had a tattoo of First Nations eagle, they were not wanted at the church. So they stayed at home and enjoyed serving and worshipping God by themselves, and trying to be good neighbours."

Makes one think... :)
 
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Well....

Illegal immigrants came, and took over, and ejected us from our land.

(as it happens brutally, a forced march in winter with great hardship and unkindly, and causing deaths to innocents that did not fight back)

The marchers were subject to extortion and violence along the route. In addition, these final contingents were forced to set out during the hottest and coldest months of the year, killing many. Exposure to the elements, disease and starvation, harassment by local frontiersmen, and insufficient rations similarly killed up to one-third of the Choctaw and other nations on the march.
Trail of Tears - Wikipedia


Just a fact.

What do you think we should do about that?

My thought: let those that now holding our ancestral lands stay!

I forgive them.

No problem.

Here's the guy i was referring to, and his perspective on what i mentioned in an earlier post.

Starting at about 1:04:17

 
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"There was a Native American married to a Canadian from the First Nations. The husband was ill and used legally-obtained cannabis bought at a vending machine in Canada to relieve his pain. They went to a church and enjoyed the Word and the prayers and the songs of praise. However, because the husband was known to have used cannabis and because they lived on the reservation, and because they didn't homeschool their children and because the wife had a tattoo of First Nations eagle, they were not wanted at the church. So they stayed at home and enjoyed serving and worshipping God by themselves, and trying to be good neighbours."

Makes one think... :)
I don't think this is unique to any group of people. I could tell you horror stories how the church treated us both when my husband was pastoring and when we were just attending not to mention the horror stories of others both pastors and general congregants.
 
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I thought that your point was that migrants can't flee. Well, the Refugee and Migrant Unit, Geneva, doesn't necessarily make that assumption.

I've advocated for many refugees, many times in shelters, where they sought 'refuge" because their very lives were at stake.

Why refugees are referred to as "refugees" is because they are "fleeing".

Migrants are not "fleeing".
 
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Laws are laws. Illegals must be deported. Period.
Is it a local church's job to deport people? and is it the local church's business to scrutinize people's complex backgrounds to decide who should be deported? Matthew 28.19-20 is what Christians' Great Commission is about.
 
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I don't think this is unique to any group of people. I could tell you horror stories how the church treated us both when my husband was pastoring and when we were just attending not to mention the horror stories of others both pastors and general congregants.
Oh I agree.
 
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No problem.

Here's the guy i was referring to, and his perspective on what i mentioned in an earlier post.

Starting at about 1:04:17


Exactly correct!

Just about every land on Earth has been taken by force, war, killing those already there!

I often make this same point. I guess I've written this about a dozen or more times over the years -- all lands have been stolen in a sense, taken by force and murder and war.

I totally agree. Our own ancestors -- yours and mine -- were on both sides, no doubt!

And so....illegal Mexicans are relatively benign -- they are mostly law abiding and they buy their lands here, with money.

They didn't steal their houses, their cars, they didn't kill people to live where they are right now.
 
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