Howdy.
I've set my self on reading the Bible, and when it comes to being judgemental, I've been getting some mixed messages.
"Judgemental," as a word chock full of negative connotations, is generally answered with the parable of Jesus and the adulteress in John. Jesus' words, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her" echo heavily in any discussion involving judgement. Plainly, the parable tells us to leave judgement to God.
However, Paul, in Corinthians, very emphatically draws the line between people of the flesh and people of the Spirit. The people who have recieved the gifts of the Spirit through their faith, Paul says, are able to judge everything and is not subject to anyone (Chapter 2:15).
In my...admittedly non-historical and scantily-educated-in-theology mind, it seems to advocate a case opposing to the one in the adultery parable. Here, those who are of the spirit are capable of judging, and are impervious to being judged themselves - it is easy to imagine that in such an invincible position, people of the spirit, or at least, people who -think- the are of the spirit, with much enthusiasm would exercise the right to judge, with no fear of being judged in return.
In fact, Paul in some instances, is pretty judgemental. His epistles are peppered with constant reassurances that he speaks of God, not of man, or of himself; be that as it may, Paul calls Peter wrong and essentially calls him a cliquish coward in front of the congregation at Antioch, and he doesn't hesitate a bit to call the Galatians idiots and omit a thanksgiving to God for their Christian community (despite the fact that the community at Corinth seemed much more deprave than the one at Galatia).
Granted: I fear that I'm most likely pulling a "protestant" and relying solely on the Bible and taking things out of context to boot. That's why I'm here - maybe I'm missing some context or tradition that'll help things make sense. Is there a solidly defined church teaching on something as obviously un-Jesus as being judgemental?
I'm curious because I sadly encounter alot of Christians, from all denominations, who, despite being armed to the teeth with near-encyclopedic knowledge of their denomination's philosophy, are surprisingly...well...judgemental. It surprises me with what ease I've seen people belt off "The Catholics are such and such" or "The orthodox are so and so" or "The Messianic Jews are such and such." Usually such and such or so and so being something negative and unnecessary. I've ALSO seen an abuse on the OTHER side of the coin, where people say "The (Catholics/Orthodoxes/Protestsants/Jews) are SO intolerant and judgemental - don't even bother talking to them" which is...you guessed it...unnecessarily judgemental in and of itself. The amount of judgements I see over the entirety of CF is...well...profoundly disturbing. And of course, the wonderful coup-de-grace, is that in making all these pronouncements, I too, I suppose, am being judgemental to a degree.
It just strikes me that such proclamations on any part - me, Orthodox, Catholic, or ANYONE - is inherently unchristian. The adultery story tells me that. However, Paul's actions AND words tell me otherwise... they seem to even imply that judging is the RIGHT of those of the Spirit. For me, everything gets muddy at that point. How do you know if you have the Spirit? How do you know if being judgemental is right, and if it is, WHO among all those who are being judgemental are really right, and who are the false teachers? Or is pronouncing judgements solely God's domain, I'm taking this all out of context, misunderstanding it - and all the judgemental people on CF, including myself, need to back off?
Thanks for your help.
I've set my self on reading the Bible, and when it comes to being judgemental, I've been getting some mixed messages.
"Judgemental," as a word chock full of negative connotations, is generally answered with the parable of Jesus and the adulteress in John. Jesus' words, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her" echo heavily in any discussion involving judgement. Plainly, the parable tells us to leave judgement to God.
However, Paul, in Corinthians, very emphatically draws the line between people of the flesh and people of the Spirit. The people who have recieved the gifts of the Spirit through their faith, Paul says, are able to judge everything and is not subject to anyone (Chapter 2:15).
In my...admittedly non-historical and scantily-educated-in-theology mind, it seems to advocate a case opposing to the one in the adultery parable. Here, those who are of the spirit are capable of judging, and are impervious to being judged themselves - it is easy to imagine that in such an invincible position, people of the spirit, or at least, people who -think- the are of the spirit, with much enthusiasm would exercise the right to judge, with no fear of being judged in return.
In fact, Paul in some instances, is pretty judgemental. His epistles are peppered with constant reassurances that he speaks of God, not of man, or of himself; be that as it may, Paul calls Peter wrong and essentially calls him a cliquish coward in front of the congregation at Antioch, and he doesn't hesitate a bit to call the Galatians idiots and omit a thanksgiving to God for their Christian community (despite the fact that the community at Corinth seemed much more deprave than the one at Galatia).
Granted: I fear that I'm most likely pulling a "protestant" and relying solely on the Bible and taking things out of context to boot. That's why I'm here - maybe I'm missing some context or tradition that'll help things make sense. Is there a solidly defined church teaching on something as obviously un-Jesus as being judgemental?
I'm curious because I sadly encounter alot of Christians, from all denominations, who, despite being armed to the teeth with near-encyclopedic knowledge of their denomination's philosophy, are surprisingly...well...judgemental. It surprises me with what ease I've seen people belt off "The Catholics are such and such" or "The orthodox are so and so" or "The Messianic Jews are such and such." Usually such and such or so and so being something negative and unnecessary. I've ALSO seen an abuse on the OTHER side of the coin, where people say "The (Catholics/Orthodoxes/Protestsants/Jews) are SO intolerant and judgemental - don't even bother talking to them" which is...you guessed it...unnecessarily judgemental in and of itself. The amount of judgements I see over the entirety of CF is...well...profoundly disturbing. And of course, the wonderful coup-de-grace, is that in making all these pronouncements, I too, I suppose, am being judgemental to a degree.
It just strikes me that such proclamations on any part - me, Orthodox, Catholic, or ANYONE - is inherently unchristian. The adultery story tells me that. However, Paul's actions AND words tell me otherwise... they seem to even imply that judging is the RIGHT of those of the Spirit. For me, everything gets muddy at that point. How do you know if you have the Spirit? How do you know if being judgemental is right, and if it is, WHO among all those who are being judgemental are really right, and who are the false teachers? Or is pronouncing judgements solely God's domain, I'm taking this all out of context, misunderstanding it - and all the judgemental people on CF, including myself, need to back off?
Thanks for your help.