What does the 8th king but of the 7 mean in the Bible?

[endofdayz]

This is a very specific prophecy by the Apostle John that tells us what to look for.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The Apostle John is telling us that a beast was alive, he's now is not but yet is when he ascends out of the bottomless pit. What this is saying is that this beast will be reincarnated into a new image. This image is called the 8th king. The Bible in Revelation talks about the beast(ascends out of the bottomless pit) and his image(the 8th king's body).

The 8th king will receive a deadly wound in Revelation 13. People will say it's a miracle that he survived. He almost died several times. His body will be taken over by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

This is why it's the 8th king but of the 7. It's a new image but it's taken over by 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit. Who are these 7?

The Apostle John gives us a specific prophecy about the 7. He says:

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The one that is was Domitian. The Apostle John wrote Revelation in 95-96 A.D. according to most scholars.

The 5 that are fallen are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespasian and Titus. Titus destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D.

The Apostle John predicted the short reign of Nerva who ruled after Domitian and would be the 7th king. He ruled for 15 months. The Apostle John then tells us that this 8th king will be of the 7.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This is the beast that also kills the two witnesses.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So the Apostle John is telling us something that I think is pretty clear.

There's an 8th king but he will not be a new king just a new body for 1 of the 7 Roman Emperors.

I think it will be Titus, Vespasian or Domitian but it could be any 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and take over the body of the 8th king who I think is on the world stage today. He will receive a deadly wound and that's when the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit. This is when the tribulation will start.

The Bible tells us in Thessalonians that the Holy Spirit is restraining this beast from the sea from fully forming until this event happens and the lawless one takes over the body of the 8th king and is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

THANK YOU LORD!

 

[Bumble Bee]

How does that reconcile with the verse that says man only has one life on earth? I’m sorry, I don’t remember the passage or I would quote it.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The 8th king will receive a deadly wound in Revelation 13. People will say it's a miracle that he survived. He almost died several times. His body will be taken over by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

You are mixing up the Sea Beast in Revelation 13 with the Scarlet Beast in the wilderness in Revelation 17, which most people do. They are not the same Beast, although their features are reflective of each other in some ways.

The Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 found in the Wilderness (of Judea) was the independent kingdom of the nation of Israel. It had once flourished after the Maccabean victories for almost 80 years, but disappeared after Pompey subjugated Israel by making them tributary to Rome in 63 BC. At that point, the Scarlet Beast "IS NOT" in existence anymore. Yet this Scarlet Beast was "about to rise out of the abyss" (Revelation 17:8) in John's days under the Zealot rebellion beginning in AD 66, when the Jews threw off their Roman yoke and started minting their own currency as a sovereign nation again. AT that point, the Scarlet Beast "IS" in existence again. For its destruction, it was thrown into Jerusalem's Lake of Fire, when it was destroyed by the end of AD 70. (Hint: this means Revelation was written at least before AD 66, before that Scarlet Beast had arisen once more.)

The 8 "kings" as a feature of this Scarlet Beast had nothing to do with the Roman emperors. It had to do with the "kings of the earth" which the harlot was reigning over in those days. "Kings of the earth" are high priests of the land of Israel, as they are referred to all the way back in Psalms 2:2 and Matthew 17:25.

Those particular listed 8 "kings" were the 8 high priests coming from the family of the patriarch Annas, whose five sons, one son-in-law, and a grandson all served as high priests from AD 6 until AD 66. Five of these family's high priests had "fallen" in death by the time John was writing (Annas, Caiphas, Eleazar, Jonathan, and Matthias), and one of them was presently still alive (Theophilus, whom Luke was addressing in Luke 1:3 and Acts 1:1). But the 7th high priest "king" had "not yet come" into the high priesthood office, (who was Ananas ben Annas, appointed high priest in AD 63), and when he came into office, he would only "continue a short space" (because Rome deposed him only 3 months later for overstepping his authority).

Hint: this means Revelation had to have been written at least before AD 63, when Ananas came into the high priesthood.

The 8th high priest "king" was Annas' grandson, Matthias ben Theophilus. Roman authority appointed him high priest in AD 66, at the very year the Zealot rebellion broke out. That means Matthias was not only a high priest "king" but for a time he was also the titular head of the revived Scarlet Beast - the independent kingdom nation of Israel.

Revelation 17 says that the 8th "king" was "of the seven". Naturally, as Annas' grandson, Matthias ben Theophilus was genetically descended from the family of Annas and its 7 high priest members. And he was also "going into destruction". That is because Matthias ben Theophilus only served briefly as high priest, until the Zealot factions kicked him out of office. Instead, the Zealots cast lots to elect their own fake high priest, Phannias, who was not from a priestly tribe at all, and knew nothing about high priestly functions. He was merely a puppet that the Zealots used for their own purposes.

 

[Douggg]

This is a very specific prophecy by the Apostle John that tells us what to look for.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The Apostle John is telling us that a beast was alive, he's now is not but yet is when he ascends out of the bottomless pit. What this is saying is that this beast will be reincarnated into a new image. This image is called the 8th king. The Bible in Revelation talks about the beast(ascends out of the bottomless pit) and his image(the 8th king's body).

The 8th king will receive a deadly wound in Revelation 13. People will say it's a miracle that he survived. He almost died several times. His body will be taken over by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

This is why it's the 8th king but of the 7. It's a new image but it's taken over by 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit. Who are these 7?

The Apostle John gives us a specific prophecy about the 7. He says:

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The one that is was Domitian. The Apostle John wrote Revelation in 95-96 A.D. according to most scholars.

The 5 that are fallen are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespasian and Titus. Titus destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D.

The Apostle John predicted the short reign of Nerva who ruled after Domitian and would be the 7th king. He ruled for 15 months. The Apostle John then tells us that this 8th king will be of the 7.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This is the beast that also kills the two witnesses.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So the Apostle John is telling us something that I think is pretty clear.

There's an 8th king but he will not be a new king just a new body for 1 of the 7 Roman Emperors.

I think it will be Titus, Vespasian or Domitian but it could be any 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and take over the body of the 8th king who I think is on the world stage today. He will receive a deadly wound and that's when the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit. This is when the tribulation will start.

The Bible tells us in Thessalonians that the Holy Spirit is restraining this beast from the sea from fully forming until this event happens and the lawless one takes over the body of the 8th king and is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

THANK YOU LORD!

Take a look at what it says in Revelation 17:10 about king 7.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The short space is the 42 months of Revelation 13.

King 7 is the little horn person of Daniel 7 and 8. He will be killed and brought back to life as King 8 the beast.

 

[Douggg]

There's an 8th king but he will not be a new king just a new body for 1 of the 7 Roman Emperors.

I think it will be Titus, Vespasian or Domitian but it could be any 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and take over the body of the 8th king who I think is on the world stage today. He will receive a deadly wound and that's when the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit. This is when the tribulation will start.

King 7 will be coming little horn person. He will be assassinated and brought back to life as King 8 the beast.

The beast in the bottomless pit is Garden of Eden serpent "beast", now a disembodied spirit. That serpent spirit will come out of the bottomless pit and possess the soul of the little horn person making the little horn person "the beast".

 

[DavidPT]

You are mixing up the Sea Beast in Revelation 13 with the Scarlet Beast in the wilderness in Revelation 17, which most people do. They are not the same Beast, although their features are reflective of each other in some ways.

The Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 found in the Wilderness (of Judea) was the independent kingdom of the nation of Israel. It had once flourished after the Maccabean victories for almost 80 years, but disappeared after Pompey subjugated Israel by making them tributary to Rome in 63 BC. At that point, the Scarlet Beast "IS NOT" in existence anymore. Yet this Scarlet Beast was "about to rise out of the abyss" (Revelation 17:8) in John's days under the Zealot rebellion beginning in AD 66, when the Jews threw off their Roman yoke and started minting their own currency as a sovereign nation again. AT that point, the Scarlet Beast "IS" in existence again. For its destruction, it was thrown into Jerusalem's Lake of Fire, when it was destroyed by the end of AD 70. (Hint: this means Revelation was written at least before AD 66, before that Scarlet Beast had arisen once more.)

The 8 "kings" as a feature of this Scarlet Beast had nothing to do with the Roman emperors. It had to do with the "kings of the earth" which the harlot was reigning over in those days. "Kings of the earth" are high priests of the land of Israel, as they are referred to all the way back in Psalms 2:2 and Matthew 17:25.

Those particular listed 8 "kings" were the 8 high priests coming from the family of the patriarch Annas, whose five sons, one son-in-law, and a grandson all served as high priests from AD 6 until AD 66. Five of these family's high priests had "fallen" in death by the time John was writing (Annas, Caiphas, Eleazar, Jonathan, and Matthias), and one of them was presently still alive (Theophilus, whom Luke was addressing in Luke 1:3 and Acts 1:1). But the 7th high priest "king" had "not yet come" into the high priesthood office, (who was Ananas ben Annas, appointed high priest in AD 63), and when he came into office, he would only "continue a short space" (because Rome deposed him only 3 months later for overstepping his authority).

Hint: this means Revelation had to have been written at least before AD 63, when Ananas came into the high priesthood.

The 8th high priest "king" was Annas' grandson, Matthias ben Theophilus. Roman authority appointed him high priest in AD 66, at the very year the Zealot rebellion broke out. That means Matthias was not only a high priest "king" but for a time he was also the titular head of the revived Scarlet Beast - the independent kingdom nation of Israel.

Revelation 17 says that the 8th "king" was "of the seven". Naturally, as Annas' grandson, Matthias ben Theophilus was genetically descended from the family of Annas and its 7 high priest members. And he was also "going into destruction". That is because Matthias ben Theophilus only served briefly as high priest, until the Zealot factions kicked him out of office. Instead, the Zealots cast lots to elect their own fake high priest, Phannias, who was not from a priestly tribe at all, and knew nothing about high priestly functions. He was merely a puppet that the Zealots used for their own purposes.

The thing is, between Revelation 13 and Revelation 17, there are not two 7 headed beasts, there is only one 7 headed beast. That means both chapters pertain to 7 heads total, not 14 heads total. It only stands to reason, though I don't see these things in the exact same way the OP does, nor how Douggg does, this deadly wound that is healed is why this makes him the 8th, yet is of the 7. IOW, the head with a deadly wound that is healed, it is of the 7 headed beast and is still of the 7 headed beast after the wound is healed. You still have one seven headed beast, not an 8 headed beast nor even two beasts consisting of 7 heads each.

This topic is of course more complex than this, except I'm just trying to simplify it some by submitting what the logic adds up to, since it is not logical that there are two beasts with 7 heads, thus totaling 14 heads, which then would mean we can't ever interpret anything in Revelation 13 in light of what is recorded in Revelation 17. IOW, we can't apply what we are told in Revelation 17:12, for example, in regards to the meaning of the 10 horns, to that of the 7 headed beast recorded in Revelation 13. Which BTW, not only do we have 14 heads per your interpretation, we also have 20 horns. As if it is reasonable that the 10 horns in Revelation 13 can have an entirely different meaning than the ones in Revelation 17 have.

 

[3 Resurrections]

BTW, not only do we have 14 heads per your interpretation, we also have 20 horns. As if it is reasonable that the 10 horns in Revelation 13 can have an entirely different meaning than the ones in Revelation 17 have.

But it is reasonable for these similar features to have different identifications on the different Beasts. If you or anyone else is interested, here is a link below to an in-depth study I once did on all the differences between these two Beasts, and there are quite a few.

The Sea Beast....The Land Beast....and The Scarlet Beast

There are a total of no less than three Beasts in Revelation. Two of them (the Judean Beast from the Land and the Judean Scarlet Beast) ended up in Jerusalem's Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:19-20) in the AD 66-70 period. But the Roman Sea Beast was not one of these two.

The Roman Sea Beast had seven heads as an indication of the seven hills that the city of Rome sat upon. This Roman Sea Beast was given the throne of Satan (Revelation 13:2) which was in the city of Pergamos (Revelation 2:13). This 40' tall Pergamos altar was given to Rome back in 133 BC when the dying King Attalus III in his will gave his entire idol-worshipping Pergamum kingdom to his ally, the Roman republic, because he had no heir to pass it to.

The Judean Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness also had seven mountains for the harlot to sit upon, which were the seven named mountains that Jerusalem sat upon (Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Mount Zion, etc.).

The Sea Beast's 10 horns had crowns, because they were the 10 crowned emperors from Julius Ceasar on down.
But the Scarlet Beast's 10 horns had no crowns at all. They all reigned together at one time for only "one hour" as if they were kings, but they weren't really kings. That is because these were the ten generals that were chosen and given authority by the Jews at the beginning of the Roman / Jewish war to get their various regions ready for the inevitable conflict with Roman armies. Josephus was one of these chosen ten men, and he listed all ten by name in Wars 2:20,4. All of these ten horns hated the harlot that Jerusalem had become by prostituting itself to Rome for financial advancement.

The lifespan and origins of the Sea Beast and the Scarlet Beast are different. The "sea" for the Jews has always typically represented the pagan Gentile nations across the Mediterranean. The "wilderness" setting has always been associated with the Israelite nation's wilderness wanderings, as well as being a feature of Israel's landscape.

The Sea Beast with its conglomerate lion, bear, and leopard features coming from previous world empires that were subsumed into the Roman empire had a continuous 666-year-old history as of the time John was writing.

But the Scarlet Beast of an independent kingdom of Israel was not even in existence when John was writing, (which could not be true of the Roman Sea Beast), and it had a fluctuating pattern of existence when it "WAS", then "IS NOT", then later "IS". It was soon "about to arise from the abyss", and then "go into destruction" in the Lake of Fire shortly thereafter.

Too many inherent, opposing differences for the Sea Beast and the Scarlet Beast to be the same Beast.

 

[Douggg]

But it is reasonable for these similar features to have different identifications on the different Beasts. If you or anyone else is interested, here is a link below to an in-depth study I once did on all the differences between these two Beasts, and there are quite a few.

The Sea Beast....The Land Beast....and The Scarlet Beast

There are a total of no less than three Beasts in Revelation. Two of them (the Judean Beast from the Land and the Judean Scarlet Beast) ended up in Jerusalem's Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:19-20) in the AD 66-70 period. But the Roman Sea Beast was not one of these two.

The Roman Sea Beast had seven heads as an indication of the seven hills that the city of Rome sat upon. This Roman Sea Beast was given the throne of Satan (Revelation 13:2) which was in the city of Pergamos (Revelation 2:13). This 40' tall Pergamos altar was given to Rome back in 133 BC when the dying King Attalus III in his will gave his entire idol-worshipping Pergamum kingdom to his ally, the Roman republic, because he had no heir to pass it to.

The Judean Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness also had seven mountains for the harlot to sit upon, which were the seven named mountains that Jerusalem sat upon (Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Mount Zion, etc.).

The Sea Beast's 10 horns had crowns, because they were the 10 crowned emperors from Julius Ceasar on down.
But the Scarlet Beast's 10 horns had no crowns at all. They all reigned together at one time for only "one hour" as if they were kings, but they weren't really kings. That is because these were the ten generals that were chosen and given authority by the Jews at the beginning of the Roman / Jewish war to get their various regions ready for the inevitable conflict with Roman armies. Josephus was one of these chosen ten men, and he listed all ten by name in Wars 2:20,4. All of these ten horns hated the harlot that Jerusalem had become by prostituting itself to Rome for financial advancement.

The lifespan and origins of the Sea Beast and the Scarlet Beast are different. The "sea" for the Jews has always typically represented the pagan Gentile nations across the Mediterranean. The "wilderness" setting has always been associated with the Israelite nation's wilderness wanderings, as well as being a feature of Israel's landscape.

The Sea Beast with its conglomerate lion, bear, and leopard features coming from previous world empires that were subsumed into the Roman empire had a continuous 666-year-old history as of the time John was writing.

But the Scarlet Beast of an independent kingdom of Israel was not even in existence when John was writing, (which could not be true of the Roman Sea Beast), and it had a fluctuating pattern of existence when it "WAS", then "IS NOT", then later "IS". It was soon "about to arise from the abyss", and then "go into destruction" in the Lake of Fire shortly thereafter.

Too many inherent, opposing differences for the Sea Beast and the Scarlet Beast to be the same Beast.

Other posters should be aware that you (3 Resurrections) are presenting the partial preterist view.

btw, anyone who has not participated yet in the "Where do you fit" thread, please do so (voluntarily of course) because it helps everyone to know where each of us is coming from in our posts.

Read the first post in that thread, before posting in that thread.

The thread is not for arguing. So don't be tempted to make a post of that nature in that thread. Start a new thread instead.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Other posters should be aware that you (3 Resurrections) are presenting the partial preterist view.

Douggg, while it is true that I present partial preterist views on many posts, it is not true that this comment of mine above is typical of the partial preterist view. To be accurate, I have only encountered one Preterist myself that believes there are three beasts in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, while it is true that I present partial preterist views on many posts, it is not true that this comment of mine above is typical of the partial preterist view. To be accurate, I have only encountered one Preterist myself that believes there are three beasts in Revelation.

I just made a new thread you may be interested in.

 

[tranquil]

This is a very specific prophecy by the Apostle John that tells us what to look for.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The Apostle John is telling us that a beast was alive, he's now is not but yet is when he ascends out of the bottomless pit. What this is saying is that this beast will be reincarnated into a new image. This image is called the 8th king. The Bible in Revelation talks about the beast(ascends out of the bottomless pit) and his image(the 8th king's body).

The 8th king will receive a deadly wound in Revelation 13. People will say it's a miracle that he survived. He almost died several times. His body will be taken over by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

This is why it's the 8th king but of the 7. It's a new image but it's taken over by 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit. Who are these 7?

The Apostle John gives us a specific prophecy about the 7. He says:

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The one that is was Domitian. The Apostle John wrote Revelation in 95-96 A.D. according to most scholars.

The 5 that are fallen are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespasian and Titus. Titus destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D.

The Apostle John predicted the short reign of Nerva who ruled after Domitian and would be the 7th king. He ruled for 15 months. The Apostle John then tells us that this 8th king will be of the 7.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This is the beast that also kills the two witnesses.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So the Apostle John is telling us something that I think is pretty clear.

There's an 8th king but he will not be a new king just a new body for 1 of the 7 Roman Emperors.

I think it will be Titus, Vespasian or Domitian but it could be any 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and take over the body of the 8th king who I think is on the world stage today. He will receive a deadly wound and that's when the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit. This is when the tribulation will start.

The Bible tells us in Thessalonians that the Holy Spirit is restraining this beast from the sea from fully forming until this event happens and the lawless one takes over the body of the 8th king and is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

THANK YOU LORD!

#6 King (the 'one that is' in Rev 17:10)

Daniel 11:15 Then the king of the North will come and build up siege ramps and will capture a fortified city. The forces of the South will be powerless to resist; even their best troops will not have the strength to stand. 16 The invader will do as he pleases; no one will be able to stand against him. He will establish himself in the Beautiful Land and will have the power to destroy it.

#7 King: [be careful with the translation here!]

Daniel 11:20 “Then in his place one will arise who will allow an oppressor to pass through the Jewel of his kingdom; yet within a few days he will be broken, though not in anger nor in battle.

= Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.​

= Zechariah 9:8 But I will camp around My house because of an army, because of those who march to and fro, and never again will an oppressor overrun My people, for now I keep watch with My own eyes.

His people are trampled by the Gentiles in the outer court in Rev 11:1-2. These 'tramplers' are the 'locusts' of Deuteronomy, part of the curses for disobedience in verse 33: A people you do not know will eat the produce of your land and of all your toil. All your days you will be oppressed and crushed. These 'locusts' (as in Joel & the 5th Trumpet) are the 'people of the prince to come' in Dan 9:26.
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#8 King:

21 “He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue. 22 Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed. 23 After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully, and with only a few people he will rise to power. 24 When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his forefathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers. He will plot the overthrow of fortresses—but only for a time.
[...]
30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay attention to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.​

This king is an illegitimate king (an 'invader') (ie, not given authority by God) and correlates to Revelation 13:2 The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

The 'leopard' has 4 heads because the kingdom that attacked Persia gets split into the 4 cardinal directions, the '4 winds of heaven': North, South, East, West.

Daniel 11:4 And as soon as he has arisen, his kingdom shall be broken and divided toward the four winds of heaven, but not to his posterity, nor according to the authority with which he ruled, for his kingdom shall be plucked up and go to others besides these.​

This 1st king of the North is the #6 king (the 'one that is'), the 2nd King of the North is the #7 king (the successor that sends out the oppressor), the #8 king is the contemptible person that invades the Kingdom of the North and places the abomination idol.

 

[Zao is life]

This is a very specific prophecy by the Apostle John that tells us what to look for.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The Apostle John is telling us that a beast was alive, he's now is not but yet is when he ascends out of the bottomless pit. What this is saying is that this beast will be reincarnated into a new image. This image is called the 8th king. The Bible in Revelation talks about the beast(ascends out of the bottomless pit) and his image(the 8th king's body).

The 8th king will receive a deadly wound in Revelation 13. People will say it's a miracle that he survived. He almost died several times. His body will be taken over by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

This is why it's the 8th king but of the 7. It's a new image but it's taken over by 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit. Who are these 7?

The Apostle John gives us a specific prophecy about the 7. He says:

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The one that is was Domitian. The Apostle John wrote Revelation in 95-96 A.D. according to most scholars.

The 5 that are fallen are Galba, Otho, Vetallius, Vespasian and Titus. Titus destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D.

The Apostle John predicted the short reign of Nerva who ruled after Domitian and would be the 7th king. He ruled for 15 months. The Apostle John then tells us that this 8th king will be of the 7.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

This is the beast that also kills the two witnesses.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So the Apostle John is telling us something that I think is pretty clear.

There's an 8th king but he will not be a new king just a new body for 1 of the 7 Roman Emperors.

I think it will be Titus, Vespasian or Domitian but it could be any 1 of the 7 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and take over the body of the 8th king who I think is on the world stage today. He will receive a deadly wound and that's when the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit. This is when the tribulation will start.

The Bible tells us in Thessalonians that the Holy Spirit is restraining this beast from the sea from fully forming until this event happens and the lawless one takes over the body of the 8th king and is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

THANK YOU LORD!

Beasts are kingdoms/empires in Daniel chapter 7, and this final king is also mentioned in that chapter.

What is a "head"?

Isaiah 7
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is (king) Rezin; and within sixty-five years Ephraim (the Northern kingdom of Israel) shall be broken so that it shall not be a people.
9 And the head of Ephraim (the Northern Kingdom of Israel) is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is (king) Remaliah's son. If you will not believe, surely you shall not be established.

The head of Judea in the days of Jesus was Jerusalem, and Judea received a mortal wound to its "head" in 70 A.D. That kingdom rose from out of nowhere as the state Israel not so long ago.

.. and that's a good example of how a "beast" (kingdom) that existed at one time but received a mortal blow to its "head" (seat of power) can be revived again.

If you take the imagery of the harlot in Revelation, imagine she's been married and divorced 7 times and then she marries an 8th time but her 8th husband was also one of the first seven. She's marrying the same dude again (they both live in Hollywood).

So "the beast/8th king" is a kingdom that had existed once but received a mortal blow to its seat of power, but that same kingdom with a new king (not a reincarnated or resurrected from the dead king) "ascends from the abyss" when this kingdom receives its seat of power, and great authority from Satan.

Personally I bear in mind the possibility that the ten kings will be handing their power and authority over to the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2, and that he is the false prophet rising from the earth who exercises all the authority of the first beast before it.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

King 7 will be coming little horn person. He will be assassinated and brought back to life as King 8 the beast.

The beast in the bottomless pit is Garden of Eden serpent "beast", now a disembodied spirit. That serpent spirit will come out of the bottomless pit and possess the soul of the little horn person making the little horn person "the beast".

Only God can resurrect the dead and He wouldn't resurrect this supposed "coming little horn person". You are attributing an ability to someone else that only God can do. You should never do that.

 

[Douggg]

Only God can resurrect the dead and He wouldn't resurrect this supposed "coming little horn person". You are attributing an ability to someone else that only God can do. You should never do that.

Even though I think the word resurrect is somewhat misleading in the case of person we are talking about - I agree only God can bring the person back to life.

Isaiah 14:18-20, God in disdain for the person returns his soul to his lifeless body after the person is dead for a very short time.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Even though I think the word resurrect is somewhat misleading in the case of person we are talking about - I agree only God can bring the person back to life.

Isaiah 14:18-20, God in disdain for the person returns his soul to his lifeless body after the person is dead for a very short time.

That makes no sense whatsoever and that is not at all what Isaiah 14:18-20 says. As usual, you have no clear scripture to support your belief.

 

[Eloy Craft]

The Samaritan woman had five husbands in her past but the one she had at the time was not her husband.

At the same time

Samaria had five foreign kings in it's past six counting the king at that time.
The woman could be understood to be Samaria. Literally.n

For the woman at the well Jesus is the seventh husband who is coming, but when He does come can stay just a short time. 2 days to be precise.
Because He is going to His destruction.(crucifixion) He is also the eighth and one of the seven.(resurrection)

This should be a familiar numerical pattern.

The entire creation was at the end of it's sixth day.
God was finishing His work and about to enter His rest.
Five days were passed the sixth was happening and the seventh was about to begin.
The seventh day is an eighth day, and is one of the seven.
The eighth day is an eternal day. One day of the seven.

Not to mention this pattern of numbers are repeated in The book of Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

That makes no sense whatsoever and that is not at all what Isaiah 14:18-20 says. As usual, you have no clear scripture to support your belief.

Take a look at 2Thessalonians2:4. The person reveals himself to be the man of sin by going into the temple and sitting in the seat of God, claiming to have achieved God-hood.

The person, the Antichrist, the presumed King of Israel messiah by the Jews and world at the time he commits the act - shatters the peace and safety mentality the world will be saying up to that point.

And as the revealed man of sin, no longer revered by the Jews as their messiah, he begins persecuting them for not embracing his claim of having achieved God-hood - the Big Lie. Albeit, many persons of the world will believe him.

In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God brings strangers against the revealed man of sin for his audacious act, to assassinate him, and send his soul into the pit - hell. In those verses, it says the person magnifies himself in heart - which is also about the little horn person magnifying himself in his heart in Daniel 8:25.

In Isaiah 14:18-20, God removes his soul from hell, not letting him have the honor of his body being laid to rest, being placed in an elaborate tomb like other noted kings. The reason being for God having such disdain for the person is that he destroys his land and his people - he will be Jew. And descended from Jesse, king David's father - and in the text is called "the abominable branch" - which is a comparison to Jesus, also descended from Jesse (Isaiah 11:1), but is the righteous branch.

Bringing the person back to life is the strong delusion that God sends in 2Thessalonians2:10-12 for them who believe the person's Big Lie (of achieving God-hood) and whatever he says about sin to have pleasure in unrighteousness.


10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.