WHAT DOES IT MEAN , ARE THE 12 IN, OR OUT OF THE

[Pepper77]

You are absolutely right. I have found a number of times where in Christ is used by Paul and Peter referring to the Jewish church. Example 1 Peter 3:16, 1 Peter 5:14. If they were not in Christ then they were in Adam and still in their sins, which of course is not true. Peter taught they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, 1Peter 1:18. And yes,it was a gradual laying aside of the Mosaic law, which Is written about as fading away. That was their whole life, they didn’t want to let go.

 

[Dan Perez]

You are absolutely right. I have found a number of times where in Christ is used by Paul and Peter referring to the Jewish church. Example 1 Peter 3:16, 1 Peter 5:14. If they were not in Christ then they were in Adam and still in their sins, which of course is not true. Peter taught they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, 1Peter 1:18. And yes,it was a gradual laying aside of the Mosaic law, which Is written about as fading away. That was their whole life, they didn’t want to let go.

And how do you all see Col 3:11 ??

Then there is 1 Cor 12:13 which also quotes part of Gal 3:28 and yournthoughts here ??

dan p

 

[Pepper77]

And how do you all see Col 3:11 ??

Then there is 1 Cor 12:13 which also quotes part of Gal 3:28 and yournthoughts here ??

dan p

I answered this same question Dec 18. It means we are all one in Christ, and in Christ whether we are Jew or Gentile. We have a Spiritual identity which is the same whether we are Jew or Gentile, male or female. In Christ. Paul was a Jew and he was a male. He did not lose that. But his life his identity was Christ. Joined with him as a new creation.

 

[thomas15]

I have a simple question for Dan Perez.

Here goes...

Those who are redeemed in times before Jesus, are they redeemed unto eternal life as are those of the Body of Christ and if they are, what paid for their redemption?

 

[Dan Perez]

I have a simple question for Dan Perez.

Here goes...

Those who are redeemed in times before Jesus, are they redeemed unto eternal life as are those of the Body of Christ and if they are, what paid for their redemption?

Hi and when you read Heb 11:4 we see all that were saved before the cross !!

So how was Adam saved ??

dan p

 

[thomas15]

By faith just like Abraham Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

By faith he/they were/are saved.

What paid for the redemption?

 

[Dan Perez]

By faith just like Abraham Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

By faith he/they were/are saved.

What paid for the redemption?

Hi and as we see it was by FAITH , as Heb 11:8-19 !!

So how was Adam then saved ??

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Hi to all and among Grace believers , this question is still being debated !!

Are the 12 apostles IN the BODY OF CHRIST or are they OUT OF THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

What say you ??

dan p

The twelve are in teh Body of christ! They were at Pentecost, baptized in teh Spirit and therefore part of the body of Christ!

 

[nolidad]

Hi and as we see it was by FAITH , as Heb 11:8-19 !!

So how was Adam then saved ??

dan p

Hi Dan:

Scripture makes it clear- Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the World! So all OT& saints are saved by grace-through faith based on the shed blood of Jesus! but until He ascended -the rightewous dead went to Abrahams Bosom/paradise

Hope this helps.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi Dan:

Scripture makes it clear- Jesus was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the World! So all OT& saints are saved by grace-through faith based on the shed blood of Jesus! but until He ascended -the rightewous dead went to Abrahams Bosom/paradise

Hope this helps.

Hi and where is a verse where OT saints were saved by the Grace if God as in Eph 2:8 ?

A good example by Peter is in Acts 15:11 !!

Who is the WE and who are the THEY ??

Gal 3:28 says that in the BODY OF CHRIST there are no Jews NOR Gentiles !!

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Paul in Galatians made it perfectly clear that OT saints were counted righteous by faith.

Paul also made perfectly clear that the law never made anyone righteous.

It has always been by faith in God. I.E. Noah was saved both physically and spiritually by trusting God.

 

[nolidad]

Hi and where is a verse where OT saints were saved by the Grace if God as in Eph 2:8 ?

A good example by Peter is in Acts 15:11 !!

Who is the WE and who are the THEY ??

Gal says that in the BODY OF CHRIST there bare no Jews NOR Gentiles !!

dan p

The we would be the Body of christ, and the they would be those saved before Pentecost and after the rapture! they are saved but not part of the body of Christ!

It is true that in Christ there is no Jew nor Gentile etc. but we do not lose identity in Christ. Women are still women and have prohibition. Paul in Galatians was referring to our access in to Christ.

Under Judaism- a gentile proselyte could not enter the court of the Jews! A convert was limited by they being gentile. But in Christ those restrictions and accesds are done away with!

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul in Galatians made it perfectly clear that OT saints were counted righteous by faith.

Paul also made perfectly clear that the law never made anyone righteous.

It has always been by faith in God. I.E. Noah was saved both physically and spiritually by trusting God.

Hi and what verse in Galatians are you refering about ??

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Hi and what verse in Galatians are you refering about ??

dan p

Galatians 3:
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi and what verse in Galatians are you refering about ??

dan p

Hi and what do you think about this ??

I believe in Heb 11:14-26 that Noah did have faith and that FAITH produced WORKS , or Noah would have not built the ARK ?

What think you ??

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Hi and what do you think about this ??

I believe in Heb 11:14-26 that Noah did have faith and that FAITH produced WORKS , or Noah would have not built the ARK ?

What think you ??

dan p

Absolutely- true faith will and does produce works pleasing to God. but those works cannot, willnot save or keep our salvation. They are a result of our being saved and hidden in Christ and already seated in heaven.

 

[Dan Perez]

Absolutely- true faith will and does produce works pleasing to God. but those works cannot, willnot save or keep our salvation. They are a result of our being saved and hidden in Christ and already seated in heaven.

Hi , but Eph 2:8 says that we are HAVING BEEN SAVED through FAITH and verse 9 says NOT BY WORKS !!

It says that are 2 different kings of FAITH by WORKS and , FAITH BY NO WORKS !!

Do you agree ??

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Hi , but Eph 2:8 says that we are HAVING BEEN SAVED through FAITH and verse 9 says NOT BY WORKS !!

It says that are 2 different kings of FAITH by WORKS and , FAITH BY NO WORKS !!

Do you agree ??

dan p

 

[nolidad]

Hi , but Eph 2:8 says that we are HAVING BEEN SAVED through FAITH and verse 9 says NOT BY WORKS !!

It says that are 2 different kings of FAITH by WORKS and , FAITH BY NO WORKS !!

Do you agree ??

dan p

I do not know if you mistyped, but Eph 2 does not say saved by works at all. We are once for all saved by grace through faith. There are no requirements for salvation (other than to receive what has been bought by His blood)

Also a believer is kept by Christ and not by works.

The works we produce are the result of being a new creature. The flesh can do nothing to please God.

 

[Dan Perez]

I do not know if you mistyped, but Eph 2 does not say saved by works at all. We are once for all saved by grace through faith. There are no requirements for salvation (other than to receive what has been bought by His blood)

Also a believer is kept by Christ and not by works.

The works we produce are the result of being a new creature. The flesh can do nothing to please God.

Hi and let me write it better !!

Eph 2:8 and 9 we are saved THROUGH FAITH without works !!

In Gen 4:6-7 Cain shows no FAITH but brings the WORKS of his hands , verse 3 !!

These verses show 2 different kinds of Faith as one does not bring what Cain should have brought and instead , brought the WORK of his HANDS !!

Here , Abel had FAITH and good WORKS !!

Cain had no FAITH and BAD WORKS !!

Like James says , 2:18 , Shew me thy FAITH without thy works , and I will show thee my Faith by my works !!

dan p