What do you think the "mark" will be, and will it be obvious?

[Gnarwhal]

I don't think you proved me wrong at all.

I don't believe that events in Revelation happened already, I believe they are yet to come.

I think that theory you teach is completely false. In my studies for my Biblical Studies degree, Daniel and Revelation was a great course. They are the two picture books of the bible and Daniel helps us to understand the things John saw.

I gave no evil answer either, I don't want to be insulted. Don't try to bully me. I will report that. I gave a "saved by faith" answer. I didn't realize that you were the only one allowed to answer this question. I thought the OP was inviting what many of us may have learned and understand.

I never said that anything you said was evil, and you don't have to resort to ad hominem statements to give your argument weight, if anything it's counterproductive.

Partial-Preterism and Amillennialism aren't false, full/hyper-preterism, sure.

if it was not a tagible mark in Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11, why would it be literal in Rev?

The apocalyptic language in Revelation describes the events that were to happen soon, which came to fruition during the reign of the Roman Empire and it's leaders the Caesars.

Where is your proof that Jesus Himself came back and stood on earth and cast Him (the Beast) and his one world religious leader into the pit?

Christ is yet to return, that and the resurrection of the dead and the marriage of heaven and earth in the new creation. That doesn't change the fact that the beast was the Roman Empire and 666 points to Nero.

 

[zeke37]

It is not evil to believe that the Rapture will happen pretrib. Or to share that with others.

actually, it is a lie, and we know where the lies come from, don't we.
and teaching it has it's consequenses, see Ez13/44.

You don't get to call me evil for walking out my faith. I'm pretty sure that there are rules about that.

you "faith" better not be in pre trib rapture Bro.
it better be in Christ Jesus.

i never mentioned a thing about your "faith"...only about your dogma
which goes directly against multiple scriptures.

and i never called YOU evil, btw.
there are many "evils" within Christianity..even evil people.
but moreso, there are evil doctrines.
the historica/preteristic view that we have witnessed here, is another imo.

You called my answer evil, evil answers come from evil motives or people. I am not. I am a born again, blood bought child of the Living God. I'd appreciate being treated as such.

we, born again, blood bought children of the Living God, argue all the time...about doctrine/dogma.
that's how we grow.
i don't know your motivation. perhaps it is good, perhaps not.
having faith in Christ certainly doesn't mean pre trib is correct or not evil.
any teaching that is not the truth is evil, and comes from the father of all lies.

simply put, the rapture is preceeded by the dead in Christ being brought from heaven and raised here first. 1Thes4/1Cor15

that happens on the last day according to Saint John chapters 6 and 11.

 

[zeke37]

Exodus 13 gives no indication that the Lord's mark was not tangible. It very well could have been, made with blood or ash or mud.

lol. seriously?

However, that is a mark given by God, and He would need no tangible mark to sort out who was who. He is God.

But, the Beast will be a man, Satan incarnate who will need a sign or a mark to know who serves him.

the beast is not a man of flesh and blood, but an angelic man.
the mark is not so Satan can know who is who...it's so God can.

 

[Kensington7]

lol. seriously?


the beast is not a man of flesh and blood, but an angelic man.
the mark is not so Satan can know who is who...it's so God can.

Nope real live flesh and blood man born on earth, who chooses evil for himself. Who during the Great Tribulation period will be killed, with a great wound (probably shot) and Satan himself will enter into him and raise him up. He will then be Satan incarnate and release all out war on the Jews and the Saints.

The mark is going to he his way of bringing everyone under subjection to him, as he rules the world without the need of cash, passwords, or credit/debit cards. He will use that no man can buy or sell to cause people to take it so they can feed their families and survive. Mostly people who don't know any Bible and won't understand.

He will be a prince of the East and come to the forefront and to power when mass confusion takes over the world, and markest crash in the aftermath of the Rapture. There will be one world money, and one world religion, both of which he will control. Bringing about under the guise of bringing peace to the world. He will have all the answers in a time of complete chaos and people will fall for it.

 

[dfw69]

Exek i believe the mark is a literal one seen by men who wear or refuse to wear.....thus israel flees from this persecution....they will choose not to wear...knowing its not the will of hashem.....the mark is design to show allegence or face consenquences ....for this man of sin will claim to be the promised messiah at first....then god almighty....

 

[Kensington7]

Exek i believe the mark is a literal one seen by men who wear or refuse to wear.....thus israel flees from this persecution....they will choose not to wear...knowing its not the will of hashem.....the mark is design to show allegence or face consenquences ....for this man of sin will claim to be the promised messiah at first....then god almighty....

Yes, God will hide them in plain site, in that place carved out in the Rock. Petra. But, the antichrist and his militaries won't be able to find them there.

God is Good.

In the end, Jesus will return and defeat him with the words he speaks, there will be no actual battle in at Armegeddon, the armies will line up there against Israel, but Jesus will return and defeat them with a word. Just a word.

 

[dfw69]

Yes, God will hide them in plain site, in that place carved out in the Rock. Petra. But, the antichrist and his militaries won't be able to find them there.

God is Good.

In the end, Jesus will return and defeat him with the words he speaks, there will be no actual battle in at Armegeddon, the armies will line up there against Israel, but Jesus will return and defeat them with a word. Just a word.

 

[dana b]

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in thier foreheads." Rev.13;16


It is saying that the "mark" is in their "right hands or their foreheads."

This signifies "works" and "faith."

Paul writes that Christians are saved by faith. James writes that Christians are saved by "works."

So not by faith or works alone, but by both their works and their faith. (this means by their thoughts and their deeds)

It's quite simple to see why it says "right hand and forehead." That is where the works and thougths/faith come from."


To look for some kind of actual physicle mark would be to depreciate the Bible's allegorical description showing this to be "faith and deeds."

Faith and deeds are much more important for a Christian's salvation than any type of marking. It's important for a Christian to stay focused on what is really important and not delve into unnecessary searching for purposless mystery.

 

[zeke37]

yep...that's basically the same thing as Ex13 and Deut6/11 teach about God's mark.
same place, same description, based on either keeping or breaking the first commandment.
it does not need to be physical. it was not back then.

the false kingdom will use it's own money system for sure...
use that money and you accept the system and thus take the mark.

but it is not a chip or implant or tattoo forced.

 

[zeke37]

how many residence do you guys hypothetically believe will flee to petra?
doesn't Islam know where petra is?

not that i think it will happen...
i think you guys misunderstand WHO Israel is today.
i think you believe that the Jews of today are the prophetic Israel of the Bible, when they are not, at least not in whole.

we are tho

 

[zeke37]

Nope real live flesh and blood man born on earth, who chooses evil for himself.

nope, he's Satan the supernatural fallen angel,
cast from heaven to the earth for a short season, Rev12:7-17
he's even called the son of Perdition 2Thes2:3,
as he is described in Rev17:8-11
he is the "mouth" of the sea beast in Rev13, and the earth beast as well.
sea = political kingdom....earth = religious kingdom

Who during the Great Tribulation period will be killed, with a great wound (probably shot) and Satan himself will enter into him and raise him up. He will then be Satan incarnate and release all out war on the Jews and the Saints.

complete fiction.
it is the multiheaded world system/kingdom that receives the deadly wound,
not any individual leader.
that is easy to see in Rev13:1-3

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
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i contend that the world system will take a hit..war within itself prob.
and that should kill the world system.

but that is when i believe Satan is cast out of heaven
and down to the eath for his short season.

his arrival, fools the world, as they think he is Jesus Christ
and his presence coming from above, is how he saves the deadly wounded world system,
as the people believe his lies/coming,
and unite around him and his angels
as he takes the reigns of that broken/now saved world system/false kingdom.

The mark is going to he his way of bringing everyone under subjection to him, as he rules the world without the need of cash, passwords, or credit/debit cards. He will use that no man can buy or sell to cause people to take it so they can feed their families and survive. Mostly people who don't know any Bible and won't understand.

i agree...accept it won't be a literal mark or chip implant.
it will include currency for sure, whether it be electronic or paper

He will be a prince of the East and come to the forefront and to power when mass confusion takes over the world, and markest crash in the aftermath of the Rapture.

the rapture is on the last day,
after the dead are brought from heaven and raised here
so your scenario is false.

there will be a world calamity i have no doubt.
a world system will be in place and it will fail.
his arrival will save that deadly wounded world system

There will be one world money, and one world religion, both of which he will control. Bringing about under the guise of bringing peace to the world. He will have all the answers in a time of complete chaos and people will fall for it.

i agree... accept a pre trib rapture or a chip/implant is NOT needed to fulfill this

Exek i believe the mark is a literal one seen by men who wear or refuse to wear.....

i know that is false
it's the same as in Ex13/Deut6, 11
clearly symbolic, even called as much

thus israel flees from this persecution....

we are Israel, or at least, included in Israel

they will choose not to wear...knowing its not the will of hashem.....

accept the false Christ or his kingdom, and you take the mark
we must remember that it is God Himself who blinds some to the truth, 2Thes2
so it is not all about their own "will"

 

[Elder 111]

I wondered what different theories there are for the "mark of the beast".

I am new to the study of end times, so forgive me if this question seems a little on the basic or naive side!

I wondered, what do you think this mark will be? And, more interestingly, will be it obvious to even us believers, or could we be be almost duped into having it without realising??

Will the mark literally be a 666, if so, I'm guessing that spotting what the mark is will be easy!!!!! I didn't know if the 666 was literal or symbolic for something?!

Anyway thanks for your help.

The mark is not a literal mark. It has to do with accepting or not accepting God's law. Not that those who have the mark of God has it in their foreheads. Seat of thinking conviction. The others have it in the forehead or hand. Their may just tow the line but with God that can not work. Rev. 12 states that the woman (true church) keeps His commandments.

 

[dfw69]

how many residence do you guys hypothetically believe will flee to petra?
doesn't Islam know where petra is?

not that i think it will happen...
i think you guys misunderstand WHO Israel is today.
i think you believe that the Jews of today are the prophetic Israel of the Bible, when they are not, at least not in whole.

we are tho

i dont believe i am israel....if i went to a jewish man and said i am a child of israrl...do you think he will believe me?....israel is israel.....and they live in israel...well many are still scattrred and believe god will fullfiill the promises to them to return israel to there homeland....which will be fulfilled by jesus....


the reason some are blinded in the last days is because they recieve not the gospel...

 

[Gnarwhal]

i dont believe i am israel....if i went to a jewish man and said i am a child of israrl...do you think he will believe me?....

Well the Jews don't believe Christ is the Messiah either so...

 

[dfw69]

Well the Jews don't believe Christ is the Messiah either so...

yep...one day they will recieve him

 

[dfw69]

Ezek i dont know what false christ your refering to....but when jesus returns he will be a god coming in the power of god....as he was revealed in revelation...the angels and saints come with him

 

[dfw69]

The mark is not a literal mark. It has to do with accepting or not accepting God's law. Not that those who have the mark of God has it in their foreheads. Seat of thinking conviction. The others have it in the forehead or hand. Their may just tow the line but with God that can not work. Rev. 12 states that the woman (true church) keeps His commandments.

i believe the mark has something to do with gods law also....it is a literal make that symbolizes obedience to torah ....613 laws plus 3 new commandments ..i believe the mark of the beast is 616 commandments.....the number of his name....or authority.....rev 12 is israel....not spiritual israel....imo

the 3 new commandments has to do with the abomination of desolation
1 worship image
2 recieve the mark 616 commandment
3 no one bye or sell...without mark

 

[dana b]

i dont believe i am israel....if i went to a jewish man and said i am a child of israrl...do you think he will believe me?....israel is israel.....and they live in israel...well many are still scattrred and believe god will fullfiill the promises to them to return israel to there homeland....which will be fulfilled by jesus....


If you ask a "jewish man" if you as a Christian are Israel, he will say "NO!"

That is because the tribe of Judah are the only ones who did not recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel.

Jesus told his diciples to take his message "only" to the lost tribes of Israel. The tribe of Judah was not a lost tribe.

I believe that what Jesus planned and told his diciples to do has worked out. So therefore "who received and follows Jesus's message?" It is Christian people individually today, and it is the European Christian Nations and thier collonial states collectively.(America, Canada, Australia, NZ ect?) These all use the Christian Bible in their govenments and courts. That is why in Rev.21;24 it tells us that "the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it."

The place that the rich people of New York established in 1948 is just that. It is a place that the rich people of power began to call Israel in 1948. But when they gathered up people to go and live there they could only find people from the tribe of Judah or Jews. That is because all of the other tribes of Israel such as Reubenites, Danites, Benjaminits ect., who were sent the message by Jesus, became Christians. It is somewhat illegal to preach Christianity in this newly established land of 1948.

Don't you remember that in the Bible how the tribe of Judah began to be called "Judah," but the other tribes who used the name Israel became the "lost tribes?"

"And it came to pass, when all ISRAEL heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him.......and made him king over all ISRAEL, there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of JUDAH only." I Kings 12;20

This is a confusion until you look at it clearly and stop listening to others. After all, we today are in the prophesied time when men shall cease to tell each other these things and each will figure it out for himself. Jer.31;31 Heb.8;10

 

[zeke37]

i dont believe i am israel....

why not? aren't you grafted in?
who knows, you might even be natural.
the tribes were scattered to the four winds a long time ago.
they have become known as other peoples today.

if i went to a jewish man and said i am a child of israrl...do you think he will believe me?....

prob. not, but what does that matter?
many scholars disagree that the jews of today are even of Israel naturally.
...those that say they are jews but not, and are instead from the synagogue of Satan...Rev2-3
(Smyrna and Philadelphia)

israel is israel.....

yep...sure are.
even the descendants of the tribes that were scattered 1000's of years ago,
no matter what they are called today, or what country they live in.

and they live in israel...

not all jews live there.
prob more Jews live outside of paslestine than in.
certainly most of Israel is not there today.
Israel and Jews are not synonymous.

well many are still scattrred and believe god will fullfiill the promises to them to return israel to there homeland....which will be fulfilled by jesus....

many jews are scattered today, and do not even know they are of jewish descent.
same with the rest of the tribes of Israel.
they are likewise scattered a long time ago, and today, do not know their heritage.

the reason some are blinded in the last days is because they recieve not the gospel...

actually, it is because they love not the truth.
and the truth that is spoken about in that passage, in 2Thes2,
is the truth of WHEN the Lord Comes and gathers us to Him,
and what has to happen first.

your camp does not believe ANYTHING has to happen first...
guess who i think are the blinded ones?

 

[Stan Tei]

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