What did Jesus mean when he said "If you love me you will keep my commandments?"
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What I believe, and this may differ a little with what the SDA's believe (not sure) is that each Feast points to work that messiah would do. From Passover (redemption) to Tabernacles (the Wedding Supper), each Feast gives us broader insight into his work. The first Feast mentioned in Lev. 23 is the Sabbath. 6 days we work and on the 7th we rest... and that points just like all the other Feasts do, to work that has, is, or will be done. In this case, I believe it points to the coming Kingdom... where we have worked and decayed and died for 6000 years and then there will be 1000 years of peace.
Many Christians say we don't have to do these things because they are but shadows (all the while doing communion which is also a shadow, but I digress
) yet the fall Feasts and the Sabbath are still pointing to work that has not been done yet, in full anyway. Blessings... from an ex-east coaster.
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We believe that the feasts have been fulfilled and that the seventh day Sabbath was a sign of covenant between God and His people, that we recognize the Creator through the day He blessed and sanctified at creation.
We also believe that the 1000 years will be the redeemed saints in Heaven with Christ, having the books of record opened to us to vindicate the Justice of God in the strange work God will do after the 1000 years are expired. We will understand why those that we thought were saved were not a part of the first resurrection and must be dealt with according to the judgement.
We also believe that the 1000 years will be the redeemed saints in Heaven with Christ, having the books of record opened to us to vindicate the Justice of God in the strange work God will do after the 1000 years are expired. We will understand why those that we thought were saved were not a part of the first resurrection and must be dealt with according to the judgement.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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footnote random: just think HOW MUCH a man will DO, great lengths and sometimes any cost, how much time and ENERGY (HIS WHOLE HEART!)
he might exert
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for a woman he loves.
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or even , ick, for the military as if patriotic , 'laying down his life for country',
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then every week, sometimes very very punctually , put $3.00 in the plate... 'for the one who created everything and sustains all life and sent his only begotten son to die in our place, for our sins, to redeem us, to atone for our sins....
he might exert
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for a woman he loves.
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or even , ick, for the military as if patriotic , 'laying down his life for country',
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then every week, sometimes very very punctually , put $3.00 in the plate... 'for the one who created everything and sustains all life and sent his only begotten son to die in our place, for our sins, to redeem us, to atone for our sins....
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When he said "fulfill", I juxtapose that against "extend". I believe he fulfilled the law, much as exercising a purchase in a "lease with option to purchace" fulfills the contract. And it is no longer a lease.
We can eat pork now.
Mmmmmm. Bacon...nom, nom, nom.
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I don’t think this is true at all.
Jesus said the most important commandment He left us with is to love God with all our heart mind and soul.
Love should be our motivation
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I don’t think we can separate this from the greatest commandment Christ left us with which is to love God with all our heart soul and mind.
What the Bible I think is showing us is that the relationship is the motivation
What the Bible I think is showing us is that the relationship is the motivation
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yeshuaslavejeff
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I guess (for some) they feel comfortable committing other sin also. This is after all the message of the world and the doctrine of demons: sin, sin, wherever you may be, i am the lord of your soul says he ...
Whoever someone obeys, that is their God or god.
Whoever someone obeys, that is their God or god.
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We can eat pork now.
Mmmmmm. Bacon...nom, nom, nom.
Where do you get that from scripture? Are you using Peter's vision of clean vs unclean? Why do you think pork was forbidden from God's people? Was God just being arbitrary? Or could He have mentioned it because it is good for our health? Google taeniasis and trichinosis...
All the unclean animals and shellfish are scavengers and are more likely to carry disease...
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To love God with all our hearts was also given to the Israelite's in the OT ... so was loving our neighbour. These were just a synopsis of the Decalogue.. the first 4 are loving God with all our heart and the last 6 are loving our neighbours.
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I get all that. Peter's vision is part of it, as is this: Mark 7:19 Lexicon: because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
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yeshuaslavejeff
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This might be true and valid about some time in the future still,
but also it seems the truth is already known,
albeit not as clearly as it will be when their sins are shown to everyone openly, and everyone will without argument accept their judgment (there is no recourse, no appeal after death, and no one will dispute their judgment but will see it as perfect and righteous and just) .
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yeshuaslavejeff
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.... uh, huh...... wishful thinking there.....
(unless understood what "food" for Yahweh's People is and is not)
Remember what is in the heart is what a man is judged by,
and so if men willingly disobey Yahweh's Word, from the heart, and willingly teach others to disobey,
that is why they are judged.
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Here is the thing: This was settled in m mind and heart a LONG time ago. It is clearly discussed in Romans 14:1-6 and I defer to it.
The ONLY reason for abstaining from ANY food is if I am told it was sacrificed to idols or to honor the tyranny of the weaker brother. http://www.popc-cville.org/Romans.pdf
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yeshuaslavejeff
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haha.....
or explain 'tyranny' of the weak in faith, Scripturally without causing someone weak in faith to stumble.
as far as what is settled or unsettled.... < shrugs > defer all you want....
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Most magisterial Protestants and evangelicals would see it that way, traditionally, as well. The Law for a Christian believer has an entirely different function than the Law for a Jew. What was once a sacramental system now serves as a mirror to show us our dependence upon grace, to contextualize what grace looks like in a sinful world.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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I haven't yet seen this work truly, Scripturally or effectively anywhere.
Just the opposite apparently. (it has led to more and not less sin)
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The language they used was in keeping with what they knew and believed. Almost all the early converts were Jewish and so would not of even considered anything that was Biblically unclean to even be food. If I said to you lets go have a burger, you're not going to expect I will give you a squid burger or a tarantula burger, right? I don't have to because we are of the same culture and to us a burger is beef.
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