What branch of reformed theology would this be?

[Neostarwcc]

If a reformed protestant agrees with virtually all of the five points of Calvinism except for unconditional election but instead agrees with the Arminian point of conditional election. Would they be an Arminian or a Calvinist who doesn't believe in unconditional election?

I'm using myself as an example here. I do not agree that God just picks and chooses his favorites and those are the ones he chooses. God looked through the future and foresaw everyone who would come to him for salvation and then he chose to die for those people (see most of John 10:11, 15 & Matthew 25:32-33) but that his sacrifice was valid enough to save the whole world (1 John 2:2). I mean most of the bible kind of proves this point (Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:29, John 15:16, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 1:2, 20 ...etc)

But I agree with all four of the other points of calvinism what does that make me?

 

[Christ is Lord]

No need for labels. I am not sure what it makes you but I do know you're a Christian though.

 

[Neostarwcc]

No need for labels. I am not sure what it makes you but I do know you're a Christian though.

It's still nice to know what branch it makes you or if you are a unique entity of only one person. Lol.

 

[Christ is Lord]

It's still nice to know what branch it makes you or if you are a unique entity of only one person. Lol.

Fair enough. However, I tend to not like to use labels because we have the tendency to get invested in a particular system or theology. Which is okay, but the issue comes when we start learning more and we realize that the theology or system is incoherent and is false and we try to make the Bible fit our system.

 

[Christ is Lord]

No need for labels. I am not sure what it makes you but I do know you're a Christian though.

Labels do have the benefit of summarizing what we believe in a single word or phrase though.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Fair enough. However, I tend to not like to use labels because we have the tendency to get invested in a particular system or theology. Which is okay, but the issue comes when we start learning more and we realize that the theology or system is incoherent and is false and we try to make the Bible fit our system.

Maybe. One thing I do notice about unconditional election though is that I see that a lot of people don't accept it because it sounds unfair. I mean it's basically God saying "k, you're saved, you're not, you 10 are saved but those 50 are not ..etc. Just sounds unfair although John 6:44 does seem to teach it.

 

[Christ is Lord]

Maybe. One thing I do notice about unconditional election though is that I see that a lot of people don't accept it because it sounds unfair. I mean it's basically God saying "k, you're saved, you're not, you 10 are saved but those 50 are not ..etc. Just sounds unfair although John 6:44 does seem to teach it.

I believe in partial election with conditional election. And it does seem very unfair but I don't think any of us would really want God to be fair if we think about it.

 

[Christ is Lord]

Maybe. One thing I do notice about unconditional election though is that I see that a lot of people don't accept it because it sounds unfair. I mean it's basically God saying "k, you're saved, you're not, you 10 are saved but those 50 are not ..etc. Just sounds unfair although John 6:44 does seem to teach it.

In regards to John 6:44, viewing it in isolation, wouldn't you say God is drawing or wants to draw everyone to him? Because even though God is drawing us to him we can still choose not to come.

 

[Hammster]

If a reformed protestant agrees with virtually all of the five points of Calvinism except for unconditional election but instead agrees with the Arminian point of conditional election. Would they be an Arminian or a Calvinist who doesn't believe in unconditional election?

I'm using myself as an example here. I do not agree that God just picks and chooses his favorites and those are the ones he chooses. God looked through the future and foresaw everyone who would come to him for salvation and then he chose to die for those people (see most of John 10:11, 15 & Matthew 25:32-33) but that his sacrifice was valid enough to save the whole world (1 John 2:2). I mean most of the bible kind of proves this point (Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:29, John 15:16, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 1:2, 20 ...etc)

But I agree with all four of the other points of calvinism what does that make me?

That’s two points you disagree with. U and L. I would think you’d have to disagree with the I, also.

 

[Aabbie James]

...I don't think any of us would really want God to be fair if we think about it.

Isaiah 30:18 Therefore the Lord waits to be gracious to you, and therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you. For the Lord is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.

 

[Not David]

I never understood how some modern Evangelicals believe in OSAS yet they also believe in free will, Calvinism is more consistent with its 5 points.

 

[eleos1954]

If a reformed protestant agrees with virtually all of the five points of Calvinism except for unconditional election but instead agrees with the Arminian point of conditional election. Would they be an Arminian or a Calvinist who doesn't believe in unconditional election?

I'm using myself as an example here. I do not agree that God just picks and chooses his favorites and those are the ones he chooses. God looked through the future and foresaw everyone who would come to him for salvation and then he chose to die for those people (see most of John 10:11, 15 & Matthew 25:32-33) but that his sacrifice was valid enough to save the whole world (1 John 2:2). I mean most of the bible kind of proves this point (Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:29, John 15:16, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 1:2, 20 ...etc)

But I agree with all four of the other points of calvinism what does that make me?

It would be your own branch. Some people hold a hardline on what a particular theology teaches, some combine theologies. Best to study Gods Word for yourself and believe according to what is revealed to you through your own personal study.

 

[BobRyan]

If a reformed protestant agrees with virtually all of the five points of Calvinism except for unconditional election but instead agrees with the Arminian point of conditional election. Would they be an Arminian or a Calvinist who doesn't believe in unconditional election?

I'm using myself as an example here. I do not agree that God just picks and chooses his favorites and those are the ones he chooses. God looked through the future and foresaw everyone who would come to him for salvation and then he chose to die for those people (see most of John 10:11, 15 & Matthew 25:32-33) but that his sacrifice was valid enough to save the whole world (1 John 2:2). I mean most of the bible kind of proves this point (Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:29, John 15:16, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 1:2, 20 ...etc)

But I agree with all four of the other points of calvinism what does that make me?

Chuck Swindoll is among those Calvinists that only hold to 3-point Calvinism as you seem to affirm for yourself.

 

[BobRyan]

I never understood how some modern Evangelicals believe in OSAS yet they also believe in free will, Calvinism is more consistent with its 5 points.

True statement. Calvinism has a solid logical construct for OSAS -- Arminian view do not so what you find is that there are a number of Arminians holding out the idea that you lose free will once you get saved.

 

[Christ is Lord]

I never understood how some modern Evangelicals believe in OSAS yet they also believe in free will, Calvinism is more consistent with its 5 points.

To be fair OSAS has its different flavors.

 

[Albion]

To be fair OSAS has its different flavors.

It does?

 

[Neostarwcc]

That’s two points you disagree with. U and L. I would think you’d have to disagree with the I, also.

Actually, I do believe in limited atonement. I believe that Christ died for the elect alone but that his death was sufficient enough to save the entire world.

 

[Neostarwcc]

It would be your own branch. Some people hold a hardline on what a particular theology teaches, some combine theologies. Best to study Gods Word for yourself and believe according to what is revealed to you through your own personal study.

I just find it hard to accept that unconditional election could be true. I mean it sounds highly unlikely that God would just pick his favorites and GIVE them faith don't you think? But all of the other four points of Calvinism are taught throughout scripture you know? There's only very small proof for unconditional election.

 

[MDC]

Actually, I do believe in limited atonement. I believe that Christ died for the elect alone but that his death was sufficient enough to save the entire world.

How do you hold to the I in Tulip as well while at the same time denying the U?

 

[Not David]

I just find it hard to accept that unconditional election could be true. I mean it sounds highly unlikely that God would just pick his favorites and GIVE them faith don't you think? But all of the other four points of Calvinism are taught throughout scripture you know? There's only very small proof for unconditional election.

Calvinists find all of them in Scriptures, I find none of them at Scripture.