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What are your views concerning how a believer should dress?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Lik3, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. Lik3

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    I am not sure if it goes under the Ethics and Morality forum. It may, I am not sure. Anyways, I would like to know how to learn how to disagree with certain verses of the Bible. Such is the case of 1 Timothy 2:9, which states, "9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes."

    I have interesting conversations with my mother about a number of things, and a number of people, even our leaders. I am concerned about all of our leaders and I wished that I had prayed for them more often. My mother is more liberal than I. Thankfully, we are still speaking to each other as there is way too much hatred and division over politics and other issues.

    Now onto the subject. How would or should I confront someone who believes in a different interpretation than you or I? There are some believers and a preacher or two who believes that there is a moral connotation to what Paul says about women and the braiding of their hair. In other words, there are some in the church who believe that a woman should not braid their hair any more than for a guy to have long hair.

    Personally, I read it differently. In other words, my interpretation is different. While Paul could have said it in a way that reflects morality. I believes that Paul was not. Just because a woman braids her hair or wears makeup will not "send her to Hell". How she wears her hair or makes up her face is not about the state of salvation anymore than about modesty. That is what the Bible says about "shamefaced". I know that it does mention about guys not wearing their hair long and women not wearing their hair short.

    That has been interpreted in different ways. To me, it could be about the style of hair that many wore during that time he was preaching about. from 1 Cor. 11:15) I believe in a more literal, conservative interpretation of the Bible, but I was told about a preacher or two who, though he reads the Bible, he interprets things differently from I. To me, he can quite rude about his interpretation, but that is just me. Anyways, my question is, when 1 Corinthians 11:15 says this about if a woman's hair is her glory, was Paul referring to the same subject as a woman who braids her hair as compared to a woman being set apart and dressed more modesty? Correct me if I am wrong, but is Paul trying to say that we, especially, should be set apart from the world in the way we dress, or is it something else?

    No where in the Bible does it state that a man should not have long hair anymore than it says about a woman not having short hair. I still think it is about being set apart from the world in how we dress. On the other hand, there are people of all faiths who dress modestly, so am I wrong to have this interpretation?

    I have noticed that some of those who have beliefs about how men and women should fix or determine the lengths of their hair, it seems to me not only do they misinterpret the Bible, but tends to interpret it by skipping certain words, such as in 1 Cor. 11:14, "14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him". That could be confuse a lot of people if the Bible is misinterpreted either to mislead, or to confuse people, then should the preacher be judged for his misinterpretation of Scripture and not a guy for having long hair? He or she must have forgotten that the believer is to judge for ourselves (1 Cor. 11:13).

    Am I wrong for believing this? Am I being judgmental here? I think it is about a man or woman setting themselves apart from the world and also to be modest in dress. I'm not God, so I am not the Ultimate Judge. Anyways, I cannot see a Christian who is true, pure in heart, and obedient end up being judged in the Great White Throne because of his or her dress. By the way, should we also look at the Bible in the context of history, where Paul writes about and preaches about God and His Word during the Roman Empire, as he was a Roman citizen? Paul writes about him and Silas being beaten despite them being Roman citizens. Acts 16:37 says, "37 But Paul said to the officers: “They beat us publicly without a trial, even though we are Roman citizens, and threw us into prison. And now do they want to get rid of us quietly? No! Let them come themselves and escort us out.”"
     
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  2. Ken Rank

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    For Christians, I think men should look like men and women should look like women AS THEIR CULTURE DEFINES IT and without being sexually suggestive. I say that because we are where we are because God wants us where we are. And seeing part of ALL of our calling is communicating with others, then we need to be able to be accepted, without compromising our core beliefs, in order to be heard. Paul said be a gentile to a gentile... which doesn't mean us becoming pagan in order for pagans to hear... but they still need to be able to relate to us in order to hear us. So, there is a balance we walk that allows us to be unmistakably Christian but in tune enough with society that they would be willing to interact, ask questions, etc.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

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    A few people listen to Jesus , they honor Yahweh, and do as He says always in line with His Word.
    Most people don't.

    Everyone chooses who they will serve.
     
  4. drjean

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    I think modesty is always in style with God.
    I was just last night on the alma mater of Baptist Bible College website... reading how the attendance is way down and all...then looked at the photographs. OH MY! They were all in shorts and torn jeans and tee shirts etc. What makes them any different from any secular college?

    Ok when I went there they were more strict that I thought they needed to be...but it was good self discipline for a few years eh? I mean, having to garden in a long skirt was very difficult.

    I live in Florida where anything nearly goes.... but I still wouldn't wear a bathing suit with a cover up to church, ya know?

    Ok...church is for worshipping God. But aren't we always to dress as the temple of the Holy Spirit? Experts and the rest of us know that when we dress nicely, we feel better and respect ourselves more and appreciate others more too!

    Just my POV...you did ask, right? :)
     
  5. Doug Melven

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    Some people of both genders spend way to much time on there appearance.. I believe this is what Paul is referring to.
    We should look decent, but spending hours on getting the makeup/hair just right is vain.
    We should not look like we have been wearing the same clothes for weeks. After all we represent God.
    Wear what's comfortable, but be presentable.
     
  6. cvanwey

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    To serve, one must be assured that the one they are serving actually exists. To serve, one would also either choose to serve out of desire or necessity.
     
  7. zephcom

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    Sometimes people pick nits just because they have nothing better to do. What clothes, or how hair is cut is nit-picking that resembles the Jewish leaders of olden time. They created rules and laws to control every aspect of life. How did Jesus react to them? Mark 2:23-25 gives an idea of how Jesus would respond to such nonsense.

    Jesus wants people to live a loving and self-sacrificing life. Being concerned about what clothes one wears or how long they cut their hair is just being like a Pharisee and not like Jesus.
     
  8. dreadnought

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    I believe the one thing that matters about a person's dress is that they not dress in such a way as to evoke sexual lust.
     
  9. Gell

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    Do we glorify the Lord in what we wear? That I believe should be the first and foremost question christians should have regarding how we dress ourselves.
     
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  10. Serving Zion

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    If a person begins to make those judgements, then they'll get to the point where they have to have a hard-and-fast rule about it. This will cause them to condemn someone that they shouldn't condemn. Rather it is an observation that St Paul makes about what glorifies man and woman by nature. I don't think that fashion is entirely cultural, but that fashion evolves with culture to emphasise natural beauty according to the spiritual climate of the times. So a man with hair that is too long would become aware of it through The Holy Spirit's mentioning, and a lady vice-versa. Some who are more experienced with The Holy Spirit would probably discern His views before they do, and offer words that would assist Him to bring it to their attention.
     
  11. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    A woman or even a man should not braid or plate their hair since the only commandment given in the New testament is against it(1 Peter 3:3; 1 Timothy 2:9-10) and nothing else is said on the matter. So we must obey the only law given on the subject. Here is a short study concerning what a woman should wear concerning makeup, Jewelry, covering their head when they pray, Etc.

    1. Women are to cover their heads whenever they are praying or prophesying(1 Cor 11:5-10, 13-15). We know that if a man prays or prophecy while his head is covered he dishonors his head (1 Cor 11:4,7) forasmuch is he the image and glory of God(Cor 11:7) to pray or prophecy with his head covered is to dishonor Christ (1 Cor 11:3) which is the head of every man. If a women pray or prophecy with her head uncovered she dishonereth her head(1 Cor 11:5) which is the man (1 Cor 11:3) and is as if she pray as one whose head is shaven( 1 Cor 11:5) for this cause a woman who prays without her head covered is to be shaven (1 Cor 11:6) but if it be a shame to be shaven let her instead cover her head when she pray (1 Cor 11:6). A woman's hair is her glory (1 Cor 11:15) and a woman also is the glory of the man (1 Cor 11:7) for this cause a woman is not to cut her hair, but if a man has long hair it is a shame unto him(1 Cor 11:14). If any man says otherwise or practice differently then they are not of God's Church ( 1 Cor 11:16).

    2. Everything we do is supposed to be done for the Glory of the Lord God YHWH. We are to abstain from all appearances of evil and be holy and acceptable as we are the temple of the Lord. Whatsoever you do, do in the name in of the Lord. Colossians 3:17, 23-24
    All things done to edifying. 1 Cor 14:26
    Do all to glory God. 1 Cor 10:31-11:1
    Holy and acceptable(living sacrifice). Romans 12:1
    Absatian from all appearance of evil. 1 Thess 5:22
    We are the temple of the Lord. Acts 7:47-50, Acts 17:23-25, 1 Cor 3:8-11, 16-17, 1 Cor 6:13,15, 17-20, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:14-15, 2 Cor 6:16.

    What part has righteousness with unrighteousness? The answer is, it does not and can never have any part with righteousness. We know that the Lord has said we are not to adopt the customs/traditions of the heathens/ungodly.(Leviticus 18:2-4,Jer 10:2-3,8; Deut 12:29-32, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:11-12) That we are instead to be seperate from the world.(1 John 2:15-17,3:1,4:4-8,16, John 17:1-26[Especially 12-19], 15:16-27, 2 Cor 6:17). We are supposed to be meek and humble (Matt 11:29, Col 3:12, 2 Cor 10:1, Zeph 2:3, 1 Peter 5:5-6, Gal 5:22-23, Psalm 25:9, Isaiah 66:2, Psalm 69:32, 1 Peter 3:4,15; Matt 5:3,5-8, Titus 3:2-4, Psalm 37:11, 2 Tim 2:22, James 4:6), not caring about the outward appearance (1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5), not giving any thought to what we might wear because the lord will provide as we have need (Matt 6:25-34, Luke 12:22-31), but instead we are supposed to care about the inward/spiritual beauty(1 Peter 3:4). Beauty of the flesh is vain(Proverbs 31:30-31;Jer 4:30), we are to glorify YHWH(1 Cor 10:31-11:1) not our own appearance(Ezekiel 28:15-17). In putting on costly array and painting your faces do you glorify the Lord or yourself(Hosea 2:13)? Did not the Lord make us in his own image(Genesis 1:27)? Did the Lord error when he made us(Psalm 139:14, Genesis 1:31) that we must distort or add to our appearance in order to be beautiful(1 Samuel 16:7)? We know that the Lord did not error in making us, we are all made in his image, we were made the way we are meant to be.

    3. What gain is there in wearing Jewelry? When you wear jewelry we know that causes some people to sin(Ez 16:15-18). People will look upon those fine Jewels and be envious of them, they will be jealous of your possession. Are the Lords people supposed to make their brothers and sisters jealous of their wealth and cause them to stumble(Romans 14:13)? The money spent on these Jewels could feed many that are starving, provide shelter for those that have none, or even be spent on the sick and infirm. In wearing/purchasing your costly array you are saying that the needs of the Poor are out weighed by your own desire to look beautiful and be looked favorably upon by men. Does this sound like what the people of the Lord are supposed to do(Luke 18:18-23, Matt 19:21-23, Mark 10:21-23, Acts 20:33-35, 2 Cor 9:7, Luke 21:1-4, Luke 3:10-11)? Is this what the Apostles and Christ taught(Acts 2:44-45, Luke 12:33-34, James 1:26-27, 1 Cor 13:3)? No we are to be a meek people and the women especially are supposed to be modest and with all shamefacedness and sobriety(1 Timothy 2:9-10,15). To those that say but what of our wedding rings? Are these rings not a symbol of love for our spouse? The answer to which is no, a wedding band comes from paganism not the Lord. The symbol of your love for your spouse is carried with you wherever you go regardless of what Jewelry your wearing. When you marry you become as one flesh in the sight of the Lord(Mark 10:6-8, Genesis 2:22-24, Eph 5:28-31, Matt 19:4-5) it is a bond that no man on this earth can break(Mark 10:9, Matt 19:6). A ring can be removed, but what the Lord joins together no man can sever. So put off now your ornaments and follow the Lords commandments(Ex 33:3-6).

    4. What gain is there in wearing Makeup? Wasn't it the Harlots, the whores, and adulteresses who first painted their faces to appear more beautiful to entice men(Jeremiah 4:30, Rev 2:20-23, 1 Kings 16:31-33, 1 Kings 19:1-21, 1 Kings 18:4,13,19, 2 Kings 9:22, 29-37, Ez 23:38-44, Isaiah 3:16-24)? Every person who paints their face shows their own vanity, and their own pride and the Lord resists the proud(James 4:6-8, Psalm 138:6, Proverbs 8:13, 1 Peter 5:5, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 23:9, Proverbs 15:25). In glorifying their own beauty they take up the same mantle as those that came before(Ez 16:15-18): the harlot(Proverbs 7:10-12), and the adulteress, and Lucifer himself who through his own vanity and pride thought himself greater than God(Ez 28:15-17). Some people try to use (Esther 2:9,12) as proof that women can wear makeup saying that she had beauty treatments done to her that included putting on makeup, but when we look at the actual word used(Tamruq) we see the purification treatments did not include makeup. Just reading it in context we can see that these treatments were about purification and cleansing, not beauty and makeup.
    Hebrew 8562 (Tamruq)
    A scrapping, Rubbing
    cleanse, thing for purification
    Or tamruq {tam-rook'}; or tamriyq {tam-reek'}; from maraq; properly, a scouring, i.e. Soap or perfumery for the bath; figuratively, a detergent -- X cleanse, (thing for) purification(-fying).

    5. We know from scripture that a woman must not wear that which pertaineth to a man nor a man that which pertaineth to a woman(Deut 22:5). Now during the time which that was written both men and women wore robes(2 Sam 13:18, Ex 28:4), but the robes they wore were different: the fabrics, the designs, and the length. Women's robes usually went down to their feet, but did not come above the ankles. Only men's robes(which were usually shorter to begin with) were allowed to be pulled up or Girded about(Job 38:3, Jer 1:17) but they still had to cover the thigh. Only men and more specifically priests were allowed to wear shorts(Breeches) but they had to cover the thigh or come to or past the knee(Ex 28:42, Lev 16:4, Ez 44:18). To uncover the thigh was to uncover ones nakedness(Isaiah 47:2-3,ex 28:42). Even as far back as Daniel's day men were wearing a form of pants called Hosen(Dan 3:21), but the women of the Lord were not. Women have always had separate clothing that was more modest than a man's clothing. During the time the new testament was written women wore many layers of clothing to cover themselves, clothes not showing shapely curves that might drive men to lust after them like the women of today do. Instead they were clothed in meekness and modesty, and were looked favorably upon, not by men, but by the Lord. This is the modest apparel that is being talked about in(1 Tim 2:9-12, 1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 tim 3:11, Titus 2:1-6). Just as the old testament said women are not to wear that which pertaineth to a man (Deut 22:5) the new testament likewise says women are to only wear that which becometh a woman (1 Timothy 2:10) not that which becometh a man. So now you know women should not wear pants or that which pertaineth to or becometh a man(Deut 22:5, 1 Timothy 2:10), but put on clothes that are womanly and modest that do not bring men to fall into sin through lust(Romans 14:13, Matt 5:28).

    6. The Apostles and Christ fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ. If a change was to be made to the doctrine or if it were only for a time(as some claim the law was to change, or only for a time) then it would have been stated in the word that was written down and given to us in the bible, but no change was spoken of neither was there a time limit given. Instead we are told that if any man or any angel preach anything other than what we have been given he is to be accursed, and that we are to continue in the things we have learned and have been assured of knowing of whom we have learned them.
    Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
    Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
    Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
    Paul has Planted the word(2 Thess 3:6)
    Hold Fast to the word and Tradtions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
    Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)
    Oberserve these things(2 Tim 5:21)
    Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
    Keep the sound words given by Paul(1 Timohty 1:13-14)
    Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
    Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
    Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
    Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
    Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
    Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
    Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow, so to is the word of God the same. (Hebrews 13:8-9)
    Keep the Commandments given by Christ(John 14:21,23, Matt 28:20)
    Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)
     
  12. jayem

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    I'm not a Christian believer, so I'm in no position to give advice. But here's my 2¢ anyway:

    Oscar Wilde said there's no such thing as an immoral book. Books are either well written, or badly written. That's all. Clothing is similar. One dresses either in good taste or bad taste. Excessively revealing clothing is generally in bad taste. But fully covering up can be the same.

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    Good and bad taste are hard to describe. But you know it when you see it.
     
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