Works is a broad term. How would you more narrowly define works as far as daily living goes? Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
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Many people would say it's all of those, since Jesus recommended all of them to his followers.Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17
Works is a broad term. How would you more narrowly define works as far as daily living goes? Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
I love that passage because for years I thought it was talking about doing good works without a command. After meditating on it I realized he was explaining how faith works. We hear from God and then we must act upon what He says to manifest our faith; just like Abraham did when God asked him to sacrifice Isaac. So, we must hear God and then act. The works are the fruit of obeying God. Faith without works is dead; you can hear God and not obey him/do the work. And works without faith is also dead, because you are working without a command.Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17
Works is a broad term. How would you more narrowly define works as far as daily living goes? Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
What I'm looking for here are examples of what works are. James gave a couple of examples. What are some other examples?
Hello Job3315, isn't that the same as saying that our works are the fruit of our works (since obeying what God tells us to do is itself, a work)?...works are the fruit of obeying God.
Hello MMXX, here's an interesting passage for you to consider. Jesus was speaking to a group of people who had come looking for Him in Capernaum and...What I'm looking for here are examples of what works are. James gave a couple of specific examples. I gave a few in my opening post. What are some other examples?
Ok. I understand.What I'm looking for here are examples of what works are. James gave a couple of specific examples. I gave a few in my opening post. What are some other examples?
Many people would say it's all of those, since Jesus recommended all of them to his followers.
None of the churches that teach that doing good works counts towards achieving salvation can identify which acts exactly should be done, how many of them are needed for salvation, or if some are worth more to God than others.
But in the verse from James that you posted, he is not recommending good works as more important than Faith or equal to Faith, but saying instead that if one does really have saving Faith, he will naturally do good. If he does not perform good works, then it isn't really Faith.
Yes, those are all examples of good works (if we choose to do them because we are Christians & because of the Spirit's leading). Along with witnessing to others (telling others how/why we came to saving faith in Jesus) perhaps the most important "good work" that we can do, 'especially' those of us who are still young in the faith, is to sit at the Lord's feet and learn from Him.Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
Hello again MMXX, I believe that St. James speaks of two different ~kinds~ of faith in his Epistle, one that is lively/saving and results in good works (and all of the other things that "accompany" salvation), and another kind of faith that is "dead" (cf the faith of demons .. James 2:19) that results in nothing.Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17
I respectfully disagree my friend because James said that faith can be without works and Paul also pointed out that faith can be without love and which is also not profitable....
Having a faith able to move mountains would be a saving faith but without love it is useless.
“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
“What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.”
James 2:14-17 NASB1995
Yes, when you reach maturity you become aware you are one with Christ so your works are q manifestation of your identity in Him.Hello Job3315, isn't that the same as saying that our works are the fruit of our works (since obeying what God tells us to do is itself, a work)?
Good works .. e.g. Ephesians 2:10 (deeds done in righteousness/deeds done in accordance with God's will for us .. Titus 3:5) are anything that 'we' do as Christians. Good works are a part of that which accompanies our salvation .. Hebrews 6:9, the fruit/result of our having come to saving faith.
--David
And here he is referring to a CLAIMED faith by a person who does not live like a believer. The reference is not to a genuine faith but, rather, to "faith," i.e. a false claim of faith.
Works is a broad term. How would you more narrowly define works as far as daily living goes? Is praising and thanking God works? Is praying works? Reading the Bible? Seeking truth? Giving some cash to a homeless person you pass by?
Hello.
I don't believe that's the meaning there. That's an analogy, what some commentators say should be understood to mean the same as "EVEN IF...." In other words, not saying that what is described is literally correct.
And here he is referring to a CLAIMED faith by a person who does not live like a believer. The reference is not to a genuine faith but, rather, to "faith," i.e. a false claim of faith.