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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Nope not at all you are confused. It is you that teaches a different Gospel. As the scriptures teach The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

    The Gospel does indeed mean "good news" as already shown in post # 142 linked. Your confusion is that you think JESUS is not God's WORD as all of God's WORD cannot be the Gospel. All the Word of GOD points to JESUS who is the living WORD and God's plan of salvation for mankind. It is all the WORD of GOD that points to JESUS in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. This has already been proven in scriptures posted in post # 142 linked that you have not adressed but simply chosen to ignore. Ignoring God's WORD brother does not make it magically disappear. If you do not KNOW God's WORD how can you know what the Gospel is that the WORD of God points to?

    Now this is a funny statement how does your post in # 157 address anything written in post # 142 linked that disagrees with your claims that the gospel is not ALL the WORD OF GOD? Wait a minute it doesn't :).

    Just like you have not responded to any of the other posts and scriptures in them only sent in love that have shown the context you leave out of the scriptures you provide that lead to errors of interpretation.

    Your claims about a works' based salvation sadly is simply a claim on your behalf that has no truth in it. Please post where I have ever said that we are saved by the works of the law? If you cannot why make claims and pretend that I have? I will leave that between you and God as it is simply a false statement in your behalf. Let's be clear so you have no confusion here. We are saved ONLY by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

    Hope this helps.
     
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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    The OLD TESTAMENT speaks in SHADOWS. The NEW shows that which the OLD pointed to. You do not know the Gospel in the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures do you? Why do you think when God's people sinned (broke any one of God's 10 Commandments) in the OLD COVENANT that they had to bring a lamb and other sin offereings to seek God's forgiveness for their sins? Who did the sin offereings represent? JOHN the baptist knew the answer to this question *JOHN 1:29; 35; 36

    What do you think the animal sacrifices pointed to and the earlthy Sanctuary and levitical priesthood all pointed to? In regards to LUKE 24:44 you do know the Mosaic shadow laws, the prophets and Psalms all pointed to JESUS right as the coming Messiah e.g. *DANIEL 9:24-27; PSALMS 40; HEBREWS 10; PSALMS 22 etc etc...

    Some (not exhaustive) more OLD testament scriptures of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST fulfilled in the new testament...

    [1] Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15; Matthew 1:20; Galatians 4:4
    [2] Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-6
    [3] Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:22-23; Luke 1:26-31
    [4] Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Romans 9:5
    [5] Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19; Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
    [6] Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
    [7] Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:33; Hebrews 7:14
    [8] Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33; Romans 1:3
    [9] Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7; Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33; Hebrews 1:8-12
    [10] Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23
    [11] Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15
    [12] A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18
    13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
    [14] Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8; Isaiah 53:3; John 1:11; John 7:5
    [15] Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15; Acts 3:20-22
    [16] Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6; Matthew 11:13-14
    [17] Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:16-17
    [18] Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1; Matthew 2:23
    [19] Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2; Matthew 4:13-16
    [20] Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4; Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:10-15; 34-35
    [21] Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-; Luke 4:18-19
    [22] Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:5-6
    [23] Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6; Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37; Mark 11:7-11
    [24] Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2; Matthew 21:16
    [25] Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
    [26] Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13; Matthew 27:9-10
    [27] Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11; Mark 14:57-58
    [28] Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7; Mark 15:4-5
    [29] Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67
    [30] Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19; Psalm 69:4; John 15:24-25
    [31] Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38; Mark 15:27-28
    [32] Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34; John 19:28-30
    [33] Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16; Zechariah 12:10; John 20:25-7
    [34] Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8; Luke 23:35
    [35] Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34; Matthew 27:35-36
    [36] Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:20; John 19:33-36
    [37] Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46
    [38] Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
    [39] Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34
    [40] Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60
    [41] Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10; Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7; Acts 2:22-32
    [42] Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51
    43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18; Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19; Matthew 22:44
    [44] Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8 (source)

    Brother the above are only some of many more. We haven't even started talking about CIRCUMCISION and some of the other SHADOW laws associated with the annual feast days, new moons and special ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week (not God's 4th commandment) from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

    to be continued...
     
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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Well I think your claims that the Gospel is not ALL of God's WORD and not in the OLD TESTAMENT as you claim has been shown to be a false one through the scriptures in the last post don't you?

    Let's look at more of the scriptures. Maybe you can address this post and all the scriptures in them showing that ALL OF GOD'S WORD is the Gospel and not just some of it as you claim.

    The death, buriel and ressurrection of JESUS is indeed the foundation of the Gospel but according to the scriptures the Gospel is ALL THE WORD OF GOD, not just some of it.

    The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

    The death, burial and resurrection of JESUS is the foundation of the Gospel that all the law and the prophets in the WORD of GOD points to. Let's look at some more scriptures showing that it is ALL OF God's WORD (JESUS) that is the Gospel not just some of it.

    The Gospel means; G2098 εὐαγγέλιον euaggelion (ev-an-ğe'-liy-on) n. a good message; Good news).

    Ok I think most know that the word Gospel means good news or a good message. So if you only believe that the Gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, how do you harmonize the following scriptures......

    After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

    MARK 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

    Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

    and again..................

    MARK 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

    Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

    MATTHEW 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

    MATTHEW 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

    Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

    MATTHEW 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

    and again..............

    MATTHEW 24:14 [14], And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....

    Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

    LUKE 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

    Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.......

    LUKE 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

    Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

    So ok lets bring it all together............

    The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY *MATTHEW 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16. Why do you say it is a "works based doctrine" when we have to BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD? It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

    Now if you do not know what the GOSPEL is how can you preach it to others? Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the MOUTH of GOD.

    Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (MATTHEW 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

    Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

    The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; JOHN 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (JOHN 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

    MARK 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

    THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

    GALATIANS 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

    Luke 4:17-19
    [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
    [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

    Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel and JESUS was going to be preaching it while he was alive (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

    The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

    Context...

    HEBREWS 3:7-19
    [7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
    [8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
    [9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
    [10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
    [11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
    [12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
    [13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
    [14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
    [15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
    [16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
    [17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
    [18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
    [19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

    Continuing...

    HEBREWS 4:1-4
    [1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
    [2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
    [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
    [4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

    In summary....

    * The "GOSPEL" meaning is simply "Good News"
    * The "GOSPEL" was being preached in the OLD TESTAMENT as well as the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures
    * JESUS preached the "GOSPEL" BEFORE his death buriel and resurrection

    The "Gospel" (good news) is EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and it is God's Word that we are to live by and have life (Matthew 4:4). The "Gospel" was being preached before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (e.g. Mark 1:15; 8:35; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; Luke 4:18; 7:22; 20:11)

    The Good New (Gospel) is indeed Jesus, His life, death, resurrection and new administration as our great high priest, but Jesus is the Word of God. The Gospel is the WORD OF GOD and it is the WORD OF GOD that we are to BELIEVE and live by. (Matthew 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16).

    If we are NOT BELIEVING and LIVING by the WORD OF GOD we have yet to experience God's GRACE through FAITH, because OBEDIENCE is the FRUIT of FAITH. If their is NO FRUIT you are still in your SINS and do not know him who LOVES ALL (1 John 3:3-10; James 2:18; 20; 26; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8).

    Can you see your error hear brother. Even a correct understanding of HEBREWS 4 connects to a correct understanding of what the Gospel is and as the scriptures show above The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

    Hope this helps ;)
     
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  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Nope, no you didn't :)
     
  5. ace of hearts

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    I think you're confused mainly because you reject the following as truth -

    Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
     
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  6. ace of hearts

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    Yes the Gospel is preached even to Adam in Gen 3:15. It has nothing to do with the law which came after Abraham because of sin.
     
  7. ace of hearts

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    This isn't represented as the Gospel anywhere in Scripture.
     
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    I did and you don't want to respond to what I posted. Nothing new.
     
  9. timothyu

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    It is only a part of the whole
     
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    We are to keep the commandments of Jesus. They can be honed down to: loving God, loving others and loving ourselves.
     
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    All in spiritual sense with no rituals.
     
  12. timothyu

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    Rituals no. Deeds yes, showing that we are living His commandments.
     
  13. ace of hearts

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    No deeds of the law are required by the God for the Christian.
     
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    Nonsense.. it is the only way to tell if the tree is producing the fruit of man or the fruit of God's will. Those defensive of the world of man claim no deeds are necessary to cover up the direction they take.
     
  15. ace of hearts

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    Say anything you like.
     
  16. Saint Steven

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    Galatians 5:18
    But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
     
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    Right.. you are living it.
     
  18. Saint Steven

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    Galatians 5:22-23
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
     
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    Ephesians 2
    10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
     
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    Romans 4:4-5
    Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
     
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