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What are demons/evil spirits and how did they come into existence ?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Quasar92, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Episaw

    Episaw Always learning

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    Which fairy story book did you get that one from?
     
  2. Quasar92

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    From what sources have you arrived at the above views?


    Quasar92
     
  3. compassion 4 humanity

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    Satan told me himself.
     
  4. Mountainmanbob

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    Regarding #1 -- think not.
    #2 -- think not.
    #3 -- think not.

    M-Bob
     
  5. elliott95

    elliott95 JESUS PRAISER

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    Interesting.
    Did you learn this in a dream or a vision?
    What is the source of your knowledge?
     
  6. elliott95

    elliott95 JESUS PRAISER

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    How did this conversation take place?
     
  7. KWCrazy

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    I said you can't teach it as doctrine.
    What is taught in the Scriptures is the Lord's truth.
    What is not taught can be speculated on, just not taught as gospel.
     
  8. KWCrazy

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    This is an example of false doctrine. It is presented as factual while in contradiction of the Scriptures and not a single reference to the Bible is offered.
     
  9. ExecutorOfHope

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    Definitely it’s not doctrine because it’s not a teaching. This is evidential of someone’s rambling and is not even offered as any kind of serious discourse which is not the spirit of this forum....and the PUN ‘spirit’ IS intended.
     
  10. elliott95

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    The Bibles serves as an anchor for our experiences in the spiritual planes.
    Satanists experience demons and evil spirits, but without Biblical understanding to enable any positive growth from the experience
    Demons prey upon the vulnerable especially, as for example the man in Scripture that Jesus exorcised of demons that were legion.
    Without the Bible to serve as an anchor against the assault, the lies of the evil spirits become indistinguishable from the truth.
    Demons and evil spirits are just a fact of life. There is nothing particularly dramatic or exotic about them, in terms of the everyday encounter. Jesus was tempted in the desert. We all are tempted with the same enticements offered to Jesus by Satan, and even more.
    We train our will and equip ourselves with the armour of God to withstand the demonic assaults. Those whose wills and intellects have become impaired, through physiological breakdown, or seeking out evil spirits for thrills, through indulging in unsavory appetites, or in any of a host of ways, become vulnerable.
    We all encounter evil spirits each and every time we find ourselves tempted to go against God's will, go against that which we know to be true and correct.
    The exact genesis of the wherefore and the why that these spirits exist in the first place is even Biblically disputable. Much of the fullness of the reasons for the world being the way it is remains a mystery. 'Where we you when I laid the foundations of the earth' God rhetorically asks Job, and that is the answer to many of our 'whys' too. There is much that is beyond our experience. We do not know the why of the sharpness of the tigers tooth, of the length of the predators claw, or the poison of the asp, but if we do not prepare for the evil that lurks in the shadows and the tall grass, we die. We know the reality of evil spirits through experience, and if we do not prepare, they will destroy us, mind, body and soul.
     
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  11. Blade

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    There are things written.. but. From what I have read searched on.. what I ME find is...we know Angels came down and left their 1st estate and saw women and played around. Enoch ..which is not the word yet.. we see them in the word talk about him. We know that every thought man had was evil and Noah and his family were the only ones saved. So how many were on the earth at that time? We dont know.. could have been millions of billions.

    So what is not said but what I think is.. the flood came and they died. Now they were never meant to be. So are out there walking with us yet not in our realm. They are always seeking a home. They don't have a body.. they died. So as Jesus was casting out that legion they asked to be sent in to pigs. Ever hear of a haunted house? Those always seek a host. Now.. the fallen angels. They still have everything God made them gave them. So we know man was made a little lower then the angles. We know what ONE angel can do from the word.

    They seek no host.. and duh.. for a fallen angel to posses a man would be wow such a down grade. Those are they that we fight.. in heavenly places. My knowing is.. you DONT EVER play with them. Even Gabriel could only rebuke Satan when fighting for Moshe body (Moses). Gabriel had to call on Michael to come help. Satan is not going around just doing what God said. There is a war.. that we don't see and GOD does not talk about to much. That war effects things in this realm as.. we read in Daniel around 10th chapter before and after.

    I believe so much of this God does not tell. When one of the 12 asked about someone else to Jesus.. He said.. what is that to you? Even though the one he asked about would be around him.. with him praying with him. Yet.. there were things that.. we don't NEED to know. Many times if you LISTEN you hear God saying to you.. should not you be about the Father work? :)
     
  12. Dave-W

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    Enoch was dead thousands of years before that book was written. It has been dated from 150 bc to 50 ad, with the Watchers section written last.
     
  13. Dave-W

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    A liar and the father of lies.
     
  14. ExecutorOfHope

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    These are just some ideas I’ve gathered from scripture and this is from the NASB (New American Standard Bible) because I love the translation. There are SEVERAL scriptures which give me pause and this is what I mean. There are references to demons wanting to go hang out in the desert when they are cast out of a house man and they DO NOT seem to like water. Read this passage from Luke I’ve pasted.

    Luke 8:30 - And Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “ Legion”; for many demons had entered him. They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss. Now there was a herd of many swine feeding there on the mountain; and the demons implored Him to permit them to enter the swine. And He gave them permission. And the demons came out of the man and entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.
    Luke 8:30-33

    Now the verse prior to this verse says this.

    Luke 8:29 - For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had seized him many times; and he was bound with chains and shackles and kept under guard, and yet he would break his bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert.

    Ok, another point relating to that. Also from Luke, but very important because the chapter 8 story is also found in Matthew so the validity of Luke’s story is corroborated by Matthew except Matthew doesn’t give the water/desert details but to me the information is important due to Luke’s accounting of that detail. He reinforces this with a second accounting in Luke 11.

    Second) Luke 11:24 “When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ 25 And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first.”
    Luke 11:24-26

    That is twice that Luke gives information which I find very interesting.
     
  15. OldChurchGuy

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    Where in the Bible do you find the story of the Satan's fall from grace? In your studies, do you find any explanation why an all loving and all knowing God would allow the Satan to exist?
     
  16. yeshuasavedme

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    Your verses are not contextual in any proof of a foundational doctrine laid in the Word of God which teaches that Satan is a fallen cherub, or that the Hebrew for "light bearer" is a proper name, or that there was a creation prior to when Genesis lays it down, or that there was a gap between Genesis 1:1, and 1:2.
    And yes, Satan can "transform" himself into an angel of light, or an old man, or a river, or any other such things, as the Jewish history does tell of, in his dealings with men, but he is not in a "created for his spirit body", has" never been in a created for his spirit body", and will never be in a "created for his spirit to inhabit body".
    My post says it prior to this.

    A Cherub in Ezekiel has four faces, calf feet, human hands four wings.,
    Ezekiel 1:5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

    6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

    7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the color of burnished brass.

    8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

    9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

    10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

    11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

    Ezekiel 10:20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubim.

    21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

    22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.


    In Revelation, the Prince of darkness and his angels, who are all evil spirits dwelling in heaven, are cast down, but they are still there.
    When JEsus spoke to His disciples in rejoicing over seeing satan cast down, he spoke of their authority over the principalities and powers binding the lives of those they set free.
    Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and so forth.

    The evil spirits which are principalities and powers in the heavens are the satans, whose chief prince is called The Prince of Darkness, the Deceiver, The Accuser of the brethren, the Serpent/Dragon, and the lake of fire was made for him and his angels, who are all evil spirits in heaven, who have control over earth since the fall, but in Jesus' name, by His blood, we have authority over the evil spirits in heaven and in earth.
    They will not reign in the heavens in the millennial reign, and will get to deceive more of the human race born in the millennial reign, when they are let loose at the end.
    Then the end.
    They go to the kingdom of Darkness, which is the Lake of Fire, where they reign over all the fallen watchers and souls and bodies of the unrepentant of the Adam race, tormenting and torturing them forever, who became their prey, for that is their food and drink in their kingdom, to torture and torment, as pr Enoch, the prophet, the seventh from Adam.
     
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  17. DennisTate

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    I believe that this is an important part of the answer:

    NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

    Dr. Richard Eby:
    ......
     
  18. yeshuasavedme

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    Think.
    Genesis 1 states that the heavens and earth were created and then the details are laid out. There was no "earth" in Genesis 1 -8, just the primal waters, filled with powers and waiting for all that was to be made to burst forth from them, with the Holy Spirit "brooding" over the primal waters .

    There was no "heaven" in Genesis 1-5, just the firmament of His power, and the firmament was just waiting to be stretched out and formed, all in a day, and the stretched out from this globe firmament of His powers " were named "two waters -shamayim", after they were stretched out between the cut in two primal waters of this creation.
    So, the firmament of His powers were stretched out on day 2 of creation week, and they began right here, from the globe of primal waters, and were stretched out between the cut in two waters of creation, out of which primal elementally pregnant waters [so to speak], all things were brought forth by the mighty Word of God.

    See? The heavens did not exist until day 2, verse 6, and they were stretched out between the cut in two waters of creation on that day.

    Earth was not named until it was the "dry" "beat out/stretched out/called to form, out from the primal waters.
    The sun and moon were not made until day 4.
    Read it for what it says, not for what you imagine from brain washings given in great doses from unbelieving, deceived, minds of the blind.
     
  19. DennisTate

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    I take it from your answer that you believe that there being well over six hundred thousand layers of ice on Greenland and Antarctica..... that work much like rings in a tree........ is some sort of deception?

    Do you believe that the earth could not possibly be over six hundred thousand years old?
     
  20. GUANO

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    Superstition is still so rampant it's scary. Spirits are not disembodied souls or invisible, conscious actors. They are motivating principles. Demonology is what we today call psychology. Egyptian, Sumerian, Hebrew, Greek, and other religious cosmologies are models of the spirit world which is the psyche---which is why the Greek word for spirit is psyche lol.

    Evil spirits come from the abyss of the imagination and things that influence it---they motivate evil thoughts and deeds. The bible is clear on this. The "sons of God" are people who follow gods commandments, and the sons of the devil are the lawless why is it somehow different for Genesis? Why the weird superstitions? Unclean spirits are impure thoughts and emotions.

    The nephilim were the first kings and warlords and the "spirits" they left behind are the kingdoms, nations, and religions of earth.
     
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