What are Catholic Traditions?

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Well, there is only one capital 'T' Tradition, and it is (from the Compendium of the Catechism):

Apostolic Tradition is the transmission of the message of Christ, brought about from the very beginnings of Christianity by means of preaching, bearing witness, institutions, worship, and inspired writings. The apostles transmitted all they received from Christ and learned from the Holy Spirit to their successors, the bishops, and through them to all generations until the end of the world.
 
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As the title says...

"What are Catholic Traditions"?

I mean Traditions with a capital 'T'.

Trent wrestled with the idea of listing them, but in the end decided that it might be thought of as a closed list; without anything needing to be further defined. Since they could not anticipate future confusion in the Church, it was decided not to publish an official list.
 
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Trent wrestled with the idea of listing them, but in the end decided that it might be thought of as a closed list;
but it is a closed list right? I mean there have only been so many teachings that have been handed down from the apostles.
I am confused, even if something is not sacred tradition the Church is still protected by the Holy Spirit so if a new problem comes up and after looking through the Bible and Church Tradition and find those two things compleatly silent on the issue (which would be very odd but possible) then the Church could just make a ruleing on it anyways right?
 
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Trent wrestled with the idea of listing them, but in the end decided that it might be thought of as a closed list; without anything needing to be further defined. Since they could not anticipate future confusion in the Church, it was decided not to publish an official list.

Any links or additional information?

Maybe even some of what was considered for a list?
 
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but it is a closed list right? I mean there have only been so many teachings that have been handed down from the apostles.
I am confused, even if something is not sacred tradition the Church is still protected by the Holy Spirit so if a new problem comes up and after looking through the Bible and Church Tradition and find those two things compleatly silent on the issue (which would be very odd but possible) then the Church could just make a ruleing on it anyways right?

For instance when the Pope declared that there could be no women priests, that was a fairly recent controversy. The Church relied on the Tradition of the Church to explain why only men can be ordained.
 
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Any links or additional information?

Maybe even some of what was considered for a list?

All that exists is a list of dogmas:

http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm

Since Scripture and Tradition are two streams of the Word of God, I don't know think that it can be determined which comes from which. They both flow together.
 
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but it is a closed list right? I mean there have only been so many teachings that have been handed down from the apostles.
The fathers of Vatican II debated whether it was open or closed, or as Joseph Ratzinger phrased it in the Vorgrimler commentary, between a dynamic understanding of tradition and a static one. The final result is contained in article 8 of Dei Verbum, which seems to me to contain elements of both views.

From the commentary:
More specifically, there were three motifs that came together in the struggle for a Constitution on Revelation. The first was the new view of the phenomenon of tradition, which had been developing, for various reasons, from the beginning of the last century. The first impetus towards a new attitude to tradition came with the Romantic movement, for which tradition became a leading philosophical and theological idea. In the one case it was seen as an organically evolving process, and in the other appeared to be practically identical with the voice of the Church as living tradition. The controversy concerning the dogma of 1854 was a further milestone, for which -- in default of biblical proof -- tradition was made responsible, which could now, however, no longer be understood as the simple passing on of something that had been handed down once and for all, but had to be understood in terms of the categories of growth, progress and the knowledge of faith that Romanticism had developed.
 
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In case you want to know what Tradition is:

I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will teach you all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself; but what things soever He shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, He shall show you." [Jn. 16:12-13]

Tradition means whatever is delivered, as well as the way and means which the object delivered came to us. The proper source of divine revelalation is the word of God, which is both written and unwritten The written is contained in Scripture; the unwritten in Tradition. When we speak of the unwritten word of God, we do not mean it has never been written, but that it was never written by the man to whom God revealed it. It was committed to writing afterwards by his disciples, or by others who heard it from his lips. The word 'Tradition'. considered in its object, mean whatever is delivered or transmitted; in this sense it is called objective Tradition. If we consider, however, the act, or the way and the means by which an object is propogated and transmitted, this is called active Tradition. This active Tradition includes of neccessity the object delivered to us. Likewise, the object of Tradition supposes and active Tradition, without which it could not have reached us.

We must always, therefore, take Tradition in its composite sense, that is, as made up of two parts - the act of transmission and the thing being transmitted. A tradition considered in its object loses value without the Active Tradition that delivers it. We can neither explain nor understand a tradition without knowing the source, the act, the way and the means through which it has reached us.

For instance, Scripture does not state on what day Jesus Christ was born. But an old Tradition tells us that the Son of God, as man, was born on Dec. 25th. This is the object of Tradition.

The Church accepted and set that date for its celebration. Christians - in obedience to the Church - have observed it every year since Christ ascended into Heaven. This is the active Tradition. These are the two elements: The belief that Christ was born on Dec. 25th; the teaching Church that set that date for its celebration.

The observance of Lent, the Friday abstinence, the celebration of of Sunday instead of Saturday, etc., On these Scripture is for the most part silent. But Tradition tells us tells us they were observed in Apostolic times. The Church approved of them and tranmitted them from generation to generation to the present day. The Apostles did not write of them. Why should they? They were taken as a matter of course. Some of the early Christians, disciples of the Apostles, or in turn, of their disciples, wrote of them to inculcate in the Christians of their day what the Apostles had taught and preached. The same applies to other disciplines and doctrines that had not been written, but were believed and practiced.

"Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ." [Rom. 10:17]

"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to conatin all the books that should be written." [Jn, 21:25]

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." [II Thess. 2:14]

"But you, my dearly beloved, be mindful of the words which have been spoken before by the Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ." [Jd. 1:17]



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The fathers of Vatican II debated whether it was open or closed, or as Joseph Ratzinger phrased it in the Vorgrimler commentary, between a dynamic understanding of tradition and a static one. The final result is contained in article 8 of Dei Verbum, which seems to me to contain elements of both views.




From the commentary:
More specifically, there were three motifs that came together in the struggle for a Constitution on Revelation. The first was the new view of the phenomenon of tradition, which had been developing, for various reasons, from the beginning of the last century. The first impetus towards a new attitude to tradition came with the Romantic movement, for which tradition became a leading philosophical and theological idea. In the one case it was seen as an organically evolving process, and in the other appeared to be practically identical with the voice of the Church as living tradition. The controversy concerning the dogma of 1854 was a further milestone, for which -- in default of biblical proof -- tradition was made responsible, which could now, however, no longer be understood as the simple passing on of something that had been handed down once and for all, but had to be understood in terms of the categories of growth, progress and the knowledge of faith that Romanticism had developed.​

This is the general process of doctrinal development, by which what was implicit is made explicit and the necessary conclusions of various points of faith are drawn out of the deposit of faith and judged definitively true by the Magisterium.

This is not to be confused with the "evolution of dogma" by which what is explicit changes explicitly to something else. That is part of the heresy of Modernism.
 
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Ratzinger mentioned the Church's reaction to modernism in his discussion of the draft schema that was generated by the preparatory Theological Commission prior to the beginning of Vatican II:
The result of all this work was a Schema Constitutionis dogmaticae de fontibus Revelationis in five chapters, which was sent to the fathers in a large volume together with six other schemata in the course of the summer of 1962. Much has been written about this text, which amounted to a canonization of Roman school theology; we do not need to discuss it again here in detail. All the relevant questions were decided in a purely defensive spirit: the greater extent of tradition in comparison with Scripture, a largely verbalistic conception of the idea of inspiration, the narrowest interpretation of inerrancy ("in qualibet re religiose vel profana"), a conception of the historicity of the Gospels that suggested that there were no problems etc. In the struggle about all these questions in which Catholic theology had been involved, this would have meant that the attempt to understand the idea of tradition in a new way, as well as a large part of the modern work on exegesis, would have been condemned; the burden that this would have meant for the future course of Catholic theology was not easy to estimate: it would probably have been still more serious than the difficulties that resulted from the one-sided condemnation of modernism.
 
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As the title says...

"What are Catholic Traditions"?

I mean Traditions with a capital 'T'.
Well, I always wear my underwear inside out. (LOL)

I think it is things like burning a candle to represent God or using Blue for Mary and Purple for Jesus.
 
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Before the canon of the Bible, the Christian Rule of Faith (TRADITION) included:
belief in the Apostolic succession through the Episcopate,
the authority of Tradition itself,
the authority of Scripture,
the three fold ministry (bishop-priest-deacon),
the Eucharist as Sacrifice,
belief in baptismal regeneration,
prayers for the dead,
veneration of the Saints,
the Seven sacraments,
the evangelical counsels, (poverty, chastity and obedience),
and others.
The historical evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it.
 
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