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What About You....... ARE YOU SURE?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by sunlover1, May 24, 2011.

  1. 11822

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    Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure
     
  2. Exodus35

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    I used to think I was sure and would have given the sunday school correct answer. Once I read the bible I became very insecure about salvation the way it is taught in the churches.
     
  3. mark46

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    Using this mistranslation has caused much harm to our Christain walks. We are not to fear the LORD. Rather we should be in awe of YHWH.

     
  4. 11822

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    I disagree. Its not a mistranslation i don't think. We are told to fear the lord in many places and in many ways.


    Heres Jesus on the matter.


    Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
     
  5. freeChris44

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    In greek that word fear is "phobos". One of its definitions, the one I find best fitting is "reverence for one's husband". Seeing how the church is Christ's bride I like the fit of this definition. For I am not terrified of God, for He is my Father, and besides that, my God - is my Lord and King above all (Jesus the Christ). :clap:
     
  6. 11822

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    Only those who are not saved need to fear God, But im not going to change the definition of fear to fit theology. What does fear God according to Jesus translate into? Does Jesus say awe God or fear Him?


    Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
     
  7. visionary

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    So you would read that verse... with [phobias]"reverence for one's husband" and trembling??
     
  8. freeChris44

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    Its basically what the 1st commandment is. Its referring to the level of awe and reverence we have for our Father in Heaven. Praise HIS NAME. JESUS I PRAISE YOU! HOLY KING OF ISRAEL! SEND FORTH YOUR SERVANT!
     
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    I'll stick with Jesus words and not mans words.
     
  10. freeChris44

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    :D

    Well...Jesus was just as much of a man as you are. So...tough one there bud.
     
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    Funny i was just posting about Jesus name.

    Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us
     
  12. freeChris44

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    I was just posting about the truth.
     
  13. 11822

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    Me too.
     
  14. visionary

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    Rather than talk theology.. one should "know" by relationship with Him intimately ... and find it all witnessed in harmony with scripture.. both OT and NT.. as one.
     
  15. sheina

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    According to 1 John 5:10-13, I KNOW I have eternal salvation.

    1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

     
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    I agree.
     
  17. visionary

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    You have to go through the school master first.. to understand what "believing on the name of the Son of God means" it is more than "I know His name is Jesus"..


    Acts 28:23
    And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
     
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    And after the school master we don't forget what it taught to us because only those that do the will of God belong to Jesus. The will of God is to love God with all our heart, love our neighbor as ourself, love our brother and forgive him 70 times seven each day if need be, love our enemies and bless them that curse us, and abstaining from fornication. If we do this we will do well, according to Paul.

    Love does no ill will to its neighbor and for this reason thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (see Ro 13:10)
     
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    Everybody, saved and unsaved needs to FEAR God...there is a genuine fear that man must have for God. God is kind, loving, and merciful, but He is also fearfully holy, being described as a consuming fire. Godly fear is a proper and wise motivation for salvation and for Christian service.

    "The fear of God is living with a moment by moment awareness of the presence of God" ( Larry Karsies). The fear of God has also been defined as "an affectionate reverence for God by which the child of God bends himself humbly and carefully to his Father's will."

    In the verse you quoted (Matthew 10:28) the Greek word for "fear" is phobeo which means:

    Strong's Greek Dictionary
    5399. phobeo


    phobeo fob-eh'-o
    from 5401; to frighten, i.e. (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy, to be in awe of, i.e. revere:--be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.

     
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