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What about the elephant in the room?

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by packermann, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. I agree that the there is much corruption in the Catholic Church but God will bring the Church back

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  2. I think you are exagerating the problems in the Church. The Church is fine.

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  3. I agree that the there is much corruption in the Catholic Church and this disproves its claims

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  1. Stabat Mater

    Stabat Mater Jesus Christ conquers! Supporter

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    How's bishop Robert Barron a heretic? I'm really curious about this. I consider him to be a rather solid voice to be honest.
     
  2. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    This link has some info: Bp. Robert Barron's Spiritual Poison

    A little digging, and all kinds of things come up. He's a very watered down, twist the faith, don't teach truth bishop.
     
  3. Markie Boy

    Markie Boy Looking East, Moving Slow Supporter

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    And he seems to keep making statements like this:

    Most of us remember the Bishop Robert Barron controversy when he told Ben Shapiro in an interview that Jesus Christ is the ā€œprivileged route to Salvation,ā€ failing to inform Shapiro in charity that no one comes to the Father except through Christ, which the Scriptures clearly state.
     
  4. Stabat Mater

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    Hmm. I agree its awful and rather relativistic, but still...
    I've read so much solid Catholicism written by his hand. I believe we all spread some heresy at times, you know as a mistake of some sort.
    This goes for clergy aswell, it's not easy to say the right thing all of the time.
    I don't know. Maybe his a mix of good and bad?

    I'm not trivializing heresy, but sometimes I've experienced first hand the agonizing regret of something I've said and done. Things that is uncatholic and misleading to seekers.

    We all make mistakes and what tells us about the true intention of a person is the sum of their teachings I believe. Is it overall Orthodox or is it heterodox?
    Even St. Augustine believed in predestination for example, but that one heresy doesn't make him a heretic.
     
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  5. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    The times I've heard him speak or read his stuff he seemed like a quite talented apologist to me.
     
  6. pdudgeon

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    The one consolation for all of this is that we have to remember that nothing escapes the eye of God.

    Even as Jesus was tortured and mocked and spat upon, the enemies of God will do also to us, and they will do it publicly and with pride.
    And as long as this epidemic of scorn and mockery and debauchery continues unchecked, both inside and outside of the Church, we will become more liable to fall under it's rule and influence.

    We have already seen it begin to take over our public schools and our innocent little children.
    It has crept into the Church, and has taken a couple of good stabs at taking over the U.S, government, and other world governments as well. In some it has succeeded.

    But by the grace of God, this debauchery will NOT triumph!
    The three things that debauchery cannot stand against are:
    1. The Light of God.
    2. The truth of God.
    3. The judgement of God.

    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah were judged, and could not withstand destruction in their day,
    so too will it be in our time.:amen:
     
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  7. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Consider the source. Church Militant does some good things but also goes overboard from time to time. Barron IS a pope Francis appointee but for the most part he is good. He has a better track record than Church Militant.
     
  8. chevyontheriver

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    Augustine's position on predestination is Catholic. What Calvin did in going beyond Augustine is not. Predestination is not heretical in the Augustinian explanation (Augustine is still considered the Doctor of Grace) but it is heretical in Calvin's explanation.
     
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  9. pdudgeon

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    For the Third prong, I'll refer you back to Genesis.

    In the Garden of Eden there were two trees: The Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of God.

    Eve, in her envy of God, chose the latter, and Adam did nothing to stop her, so both were guilty.
    God put an angelic guard around the Tree of Life in the Garden, and kicked Adam and Eve out of there. But they took the knowledge with them into the World, (both the good and the bad) and the result is what we are seeing today: The war between Good and Evil.

    Today there are fewer and fewer moral or legal restrictions against experiencing everything.

    The lack of restrictions is the perverted fruit of that first Tree.
    Instead, existing laws against all sorts of behavior that had been either restricted or illegal are being struck down, walls that used to protect are being smashed, and public opinion is more liberal than ever.

    In our time that false Tree of Knowledge has sprung up across the Earth, spreading it's corrupted fruit. That corruption has resulted in the quickly spreading promotion of debauchery: The Third Prong.
     
  10. pdudgeon

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    He was. Until he traded his knowledge for a different hat.
     
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  11. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    So you think he has changed his position on things he previously taught?
     
  12. pdudgeon

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    I think he has some silver coins in his pocket. 13 of them.
    I don't think that he has changed his positions, so much as I think that he has learned to couch his opinions in different terms, which is a bit different.

    For example, two men could both support the idea of freedom for all men.
    But for one man that freedom might look like Socialism, while for another man that freedom might look like Democracy.

    Here is another example of Bishop Baron back in 2013, in a discussion on the parable of the young woman who was delivered from an evil harassing Spirit by the Apostle Paul.


    In the video he discusses the opinion held of that scriptural passage by a woman who is an Episcopal Bishop, and how her interpretation differs from the traditional interpretation.
    Note please his attitude in the presentation.
     
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  13. Markie Boy

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    He's bad news. He preaches "Jesus is the privileged way, but not the only way".

    Jesus said he was the only way.

    Last Sunday in our reading in the Gospel of St. Luke Jesus said he came not to bring peace but a sword. That's because he's the only way. Barron's teaching is dangerous.
    Barron comes to bring earthly comfort.

    I'm going with what Jesus said.
     
  14. Davidnic

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    Totally disagree.
     
  15. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    That is not at all what the Bishop teaches unless someone cherry picks and does not take the full body of his comments into consideration. He even answered these slanderous charges.
     
  16. Davidnic

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    Yep
     
  17. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Hmmm. I have no idea what the purpose is of slandering him and taking his words out of context.
     
  18. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Well internet bishops fear an honest real one.
     
  19. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    I understand valid concerns but this certainly does not seem to be the case here.
     
  20. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    The Bishop has said Christ is the way and then presented the valid early Church view of righteous pagan. Nuance bothers many, but not the Church.
     
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