WHAT 1 TIM 1:4 HAS REVEALED TO ME !

[Dan Perez]

Hi to all and 1 Tim 1:4 reads Rather than godly edifying which is in faith , so do !

The translations , ESV , RSV , NIV , NLT , CSB , NET andnthe LXX say different except the KJV !!

It should read Rather than God's DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA the one by FAITH !!

Check the Greeks text and see and just another place where DISPENSATION is to be found !!

dan p

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Hi to all and 1 Tim 1:4 reads Rather than godly edifying which is in faith , so do !

The translations , ESV , RSV , NIV , NLT , CSB , NET andnthe LXX say different except the KJV !!

It should read Rather than God's DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA the one by FAITH !!

Check the Greeks text and see and just another place where DISPENSATION is to be found !!

dan p

I looked the verse up in an interlinear Greek version and the meaning of oikonomia is "stewardship". I see the the Standard American Version and the Revised English Version give it as "dispensation", so I don't understand how "stewardship" can mean "dispensation".

 

[Dan Perez]

I looked the verse up in an interlinear Greek version and the meaning of oikonomia is "stewardship". I see the the Standard American Version and the Revised English Version give it as "dispensation", so I don't understand how "stewardship" can mean "dispensation".

Hi and many have not seen that MANY Greek words have more than one meaning !!

Like BAPTISM can be translated by PLACED , BAPTISMA , BAPTO , BAPTISMOS and many more !!

OIKOS means HOUSE !!

NOMOS means law !!

OIKONOMIA a compound word means HOUSE RULES !!

But in Luke 16:2 ,3 ,4 the KJV TRANSLATE STEWARD because the context demands it as the context is speaking to one who is a MANAGER !!

What was given to Paul was by the RISEN CHRIST and can not be taken away from Paul !!

dan p

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi to all and 1 Tim 1:4 reads Rather than godly edifying which is in faith , so do !

The translations , ESV , RSV , NIV , NLT , CSB , NET andnthe LXX say different except the KJV !!

It should read Rather than God's DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA the one by FAITH !!

Check the Greeks text and see and just another place where DISPENSATION is to be found !!

dan p

Strongs for that word is:

3620 οἰκοδομία oikodomia oy-kod-om-ee’-ah

from the same as 3619; n f;

AV-edifying 1; 1

3619 οἰκοδομή oikodome oy-kod-om-ay’

feminine (abstract) of a compound of 3624 and the base of 1430; n f; TDNT-5:144,674; {See TDNT 539 }

AV-edifying 7, building 6, edification 4, wherewith (one) may edify 1; 18

1) (the act of) building, building up
2) metaph. edifying, edification
2a) the act of one who promotes another’s growth in Christian wisdom, piety, happiness, holiness


1) (the act of) building, erection

 

[Dan Perez]

Strongs for that word is:

3620 οἰκοδομία oikodomia oy-kod-om-ee’-ah

from the same as 3619; n f;

AV-edifying 1; 1

3619 οἰκοδομή oikodome oy-kod-om-ay’

feminine (abstract) of a compound of 3624 and the base of 1430; n f; TDNT-5:144,674; {See TDNT 539 }

AV-edifying 7, building 6, edification 4, wherewith (one) may edify 1; 18

1) (the act of) building, building up
2) metaph. edifying, edification
2a) the act of one who promotes another’s growth in Christian wisdom, piety, happiness, holiness


1) (the act of) building, erection

Hi and why id OIKONOMIA also used in Luke 16:2 , 3 , 4 !!

What say you ?

dan p

 

[food4thought]

Oikonomia means stewardship... in Luke 16:2-4 it is speaking in a veiled way of the Jewish leaders (Pharisees and Sadducees) (see Luke 16:14 and following) who were laying waste to God's household by placing a crust around, and sometimes against, God's Law and making it burdensome (the Pharisees) or by downright unbelief (Sadducees, who rejected the supernatural and the prophets). They were the administrators of God's house at that time. Now there is a new stewardship (dispensation) over the house of God. The Steward is Christ (and by extension His body, the church), and instead of being by Law (the Old Covenant) it is of grace (Ephesians 3:2) by faith (1 Timothy 1:4).

Interesting...

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi and why id OIKONOMIA also used in Luke 16:2 , 3 , 4 !!

What say you ?

dan p

Strong's word 3623 is not the same as Strong's word 3620 but the roots are abstractly related.

See also below

3623 οἰκονόμος oikonomos oy-kon-om’-os

from 3624 and the base of 3551; n m; TDNT-5:149,674; { See TDNT 539 }

AV-steward 8, chamberlain 1, governor 1; 10

1) the manager of household or of household affairs
1a) esp. a steward, manager, superintendent (whether free-born or as was usually the case, a freed-man or a slave) to whom the head of the house or proprietor has intrusted the management of his affairs, the care of receipts and expenditures, and the duty of dealing out the proper portion to every servant and even to the children not yet of age
1b) the manager of a farm or landed estate, an overseer
1c) the superintendent of the city’s finances, the treasurer of a city (or of treasurers or quaestors of kings)
2) metaph. the apostles and other Christian teachers and bishops and overseers

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3620 οἰκοδομία oikodomia oy-kod-om-ee’-ah

from the same as 3619; n f;

AV-edifying 1; 1

1) (the act of) building, erection

3619 οἰκοδομή oikodome oy-kod-om-ay’

feminine (abstract) of a compound of 3624 and the base of 1430; n f; TDNT-5:144,674; {See TDNT 539 }

AV-edifying 7, building 6, edification 4, wherewith (one) may edify 1; 18

1) (the act of) building, building up
2) metaph. edifying, edification
2a) the act of one who promotes another’s growth in Christian wisdom, piety, happiness, holiness
3) a building (i.e. the thing built, edifice)

 

[readywriter]

@Dan Perez
@Oscarr
@Michael Collum
@food4thought

'Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies,
which minister questions,
rather than godly edifying which is in faith:
so do.'
(1 Tmothy 1:4)

* Interesting interchange between you.
For me it simply added layer upon layer of meaning to the word 'oikonomia'.

Translated:- dispensation and stewardship
Usage:- Luke 16:2, 3, 4; 1 Corinthians 9:17; Ephesians 1:10; 3:2;

Colossians 1:25; 1 Timothy 1:4
(see also G3623, G3624 and G3551)
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'Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times
He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven,
and which are on earth;
even in Him:'
(Ephesians 1:9-10)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris