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We're there other humans on earth before Adam and Eve?

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Believer000, Sep 2, 2021.

  1. Believer000

    Believer000 Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

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    Some people seem to believe that there were humans on earth before Adam and Eve. Who were these humans? And if this is true, - why were they not mentioned in the Bible?, and what is their purpose?. Do these people have decendants alive today?. Are they not liked by God? Are they even humans??

    Thanks for any replies!. I'm a fairly new Christian, and I am curious about this.
     
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  2. d taylor

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    No humans before Adam, the original earth was a possible home to satan and other angels.
     
  3. ReesePiece23

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    I don't know, I wasn't there...

    (I've learned that this is the best answer in situations like these, especially *here*)
     
  4. JulieB67

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    I am of the belief that yes, there were other humans. Yes, God loves them but it is through Adam and Eve's bloodline that Christ would come and that's why the Bible is basically around them, their bloodline of Christ and everything that affects them. That's why she is called the "mother of all living" because we aren't living unless we have Christ.

    But Cain was able to find a wife in the land of Nod. Usually land was often named for the person that founded it. Cain was banished so he wouldn't have been able to wait around and marry a sister. That makes no sense at all. Plus Seth was the next in the bloodline. Cain had already married by then.

    Plus, the 6th day creation is completely different than Adam and Eve's. In the 6th day, wildlife and sea life were created and then he created men and women and told them to replenish the earth. With Adam and Eve it was the opposite with the animals of the land, etc.

    But that's why Cain was able to find a wife. He went east of Eden and his lineage were of an oriental tribe.

    But I also believe that the original earth age was inhabited by angels before this one. Job is a good book that touches on that.

    Just stating my beliefs...
     
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  5. coffee4u

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    No. Scripture says that God created the heavens, the world and everything on it over 6 days.

    Exodus 20:11
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

    Always look to scripture for the answer, not to preachers, books or articles written by others. Nor our words typed here. These can all help, but always check what is said against scripture. People make mistakes, God does not.


     
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  6. Isaiah 41:10

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    Well, there were neanderthals. And maybe they were mentioned in the Bible. Genesis 1:24 "moving things" and "wild animals".

    What was their purpose? What is the purpose of any wild animal? It's just as God created.

    Do neanderthals have descendants today? Yes they do, us. We share a portion of our genome that once originated in neanderthals that crossbred with people.

    Did God love them? I would think that God would love His creation.

    Were they even human? Neanderthals technically were not human though they were related to us.
     
  7. Lost4words

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    There must have been other humans on earth before Adam and Eve as otherwise, how were my ancestors taken for their daily walks? o_O
     
  8. Abaxvahl

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    No. It is a Christian dogma that all humanity descends from Adam and Eve, and all humanity through Adam contracted Original Sin by propagation. Moreover no other being than us bears the Image of God.
     
  9. The Barbarian

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    They were a different subspecies of Homo sapiens, in the estimation of most (but not all) anthropologists and geneticists. Homo is a genus that includes H. sapiens ( normally
    with Neandertals and Denisovans), as well as a number of other human species, such as H. erectus, H. habilis, H. ergaster, etc.

    "Human" is normally used as an informal designation for any species in the genus Homo. Most scientists differentiate us as "anatomically modern humans."

    Canis lupus familiaris is a subspecies that co-evolved with anatomically modern humans. The evidence indicates that the ancestors of dogs were not captured, but were willing collaborators with human hunters, and that the two populations affected each other's evolution. We are the most canid-like of primates, and dogs are the most primate-like of canids.

    It wasn't altruism; both sides benefited from the arrangement. Imagine two wolves discussing humans...

    "Sure, they're really slow, and they can't track to save their lives. But did you see last week? They took down a mammoth. We need to get in on that."
     
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  10. Believer000

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    OK, thanks, - but where did Cain find his wife?
     
  11. The Barbarian

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    On line dating ap?
     
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  12. TedT

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    One of our problems with this story is that we do not know how old these two were when they had their fight.

    Because they are mentioned without any other child being mentioned it is assumed they are the only children and the first children. BUT that is not proven in the text...Genesis 4 is about Cain and Abel, not anyone else, so no one else is mentioned until their story is over.

    But if Adam and Eve had a child each year and these children started to have their own children at age 15 or so, in a very short time, 125 years, (out of a 900 year lifespan that is) the exponential increase would be huge with 125 years being between 9 and 10 generations, on the order of between 20 billion and 289 billion people in this model.

    So, if Cain and Abel were born during Adam and Eve's 100 year on earth, it might have had a very large population indeed by that time.

    Also it is not proven by the text that these two were just kids when the fight happened. All the cutesy little pictures in your children's bible may be bogus as, well, completely bogus. Figments of the imagination and orthodox bias. This was not just a kid's mistake and childish anger; it was religious war.

    Cain was trying to supplant the religion of the coats of skins for righteousness instituted by GOD for Adam and Eve with his first fruits fertility / weather cult of the Ba'als and Asherah (groves).

    SO,
    if they were 25 years old themselves by the time this religious war came to a head, how many more people were populating the earth, given exponential growth? Next post...
     
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    I wrote to a mathematician friend FR, about this...

    I wrote:
    I am bothered not knowing how to work out exponent growth patterns. To use a simple population pattern, no twins, no deaths, let’s consider one birth a year by one person for 13 years when the oldest child also starts having children. All children start having children at 13 years old and keep having children every year. How many people are there in 125 years?

    Yeehaw. Branching processes.

    Let’s do the simplest case we can first, which we can arrive at because in the case you have here, everything is deterministic and happens in 13 year increments, so you can take one generation to be 13 years and work only in terms of generations. In generation 0, there is 1 person. Each person in the previous generation produced 13 people in the next generation, plus themselves, so, notating the number of people in generation i as N_i,

    N_i = 14 * N_{i-1}

    with N_0 = 1, the solution to this is N_i = 14^i.

    125 YEARS IS BETWEEN 9 AND 10 GENERATIONS, SO THERE ARE BETWEEN 20 BILLION AND 289 BILLION PEOPLE IN THIS MODEL.

    The general program is to set up a recurrence for N_i in terms of earlier values of N, and set an initial condition (N_0). Then you are into the theory of difference equations, which is a well studied area of mathematics that just happens to be rarely taught. You also don’t have to get exact solutions via difference equations. You can just plug in numbers and work your way through:

    i | N_i
    ————
    0 | 1
    1 | 14
    2 | 196
    3 | 2744
    4 | 38416
    5 | 537824
    6 | 7529536
    7 | 105413504

    This is only possible if your expression for N_i only depends on the past, not the future. If it depends on the future as well, then you actually need the difference equations. It doesn’t usually depend on the future, but that problem does show up when calculating with boundary values in physics problems (temperature is X at this end, Y at that end, calculate what it is in the middle).

    Let’s take a little more complicated case and work in terms of years. The next ingredient in such problems is using a structured population, that is, dividing it into groups so that the relations for each group are simple. In this case we are going to divide into juveniles and adults, the numbers of which we will write as J_i and A_i. The total population N_i = J_i + A_i.

    The number of juveniles in a given year is given by the number that existed the previous year minus those that reach child bearing age and become adults (which is the number that were born 14 years ago, which is the same as the number of adults 14 years ago), plus those born in this year, or

    J_i = J_{i-1} + A_{i-1} - A_{i-14}

    and the number of adults is the number that existed last year plus the number of children born 14 years ago who have now become adults, which is again equal to the number of adults 14 years ago.

    A_i = A_{i-1} + A_{i-14}

    When we actually calculate this, we have to specify A_i and J_i for negative values of i. We just set that to be 0 since we assume we’re starting with a single adult that popped into existence at A_0, so A_0 = 1 and J_0 = 0. Then we can work forward the same way as before

    A_0 = 1, J_0 = 0
    A_1 = 1, J_1 = 1
    A_2 = 1, J_2 = 2

    A_13 = 1, J_13 = 13
    A_14 = 2, J_14 = 13
    A_15 = 3, J_15 = 14
    A_16 = 4, J_16 = 15
    ...

    So this is your general approach. Break your population into subpopulations that each behave uniformly, then write down recurrence relations for each subpopulation, simulate forward with the recurrence relations, and add up the subpopulations. You can do these calculations in Excel really easily and not have to worry about solving difference equations.

    FR
     
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    Even bacterial cultures don't work that way, and human populations have never done this.

    Assumptions of unlimited resources and space just don't reflect reality. Would you like to see some real-life human population examples?
     
  15. coffee4u

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    One of his sisters/half sister/cousins. All people came from Adam and Eve who were not only perfect genetically with no mutations to be passed on but who contained each and every possible human gene.How many children did Adam and Eve have? We have no idea, but a perfectly healthy male and female adult with no birth control living for around 900 years would have had a lot of children. We are only told the names of Cain, Abel and Seth, the others are simply said to be "other sons and daughters." Genesis 5

    We need to put aside our modern thoughts on this. Today this is unthinkable, we immediately say incest. But it wasn't incest at that time. If you read about Abraham you will see he was married to his half sister Sarah and this was considered to be a perfectly normal thing to do, at that time. God is the one who sets down what is moral or not moral, not mankind. As much as man may think he the arbitrator of such things, he is not.
    God said that having relations with various relatives was incest at the time of Mosses. At this point in time it became a sin and not before. You can find many laws in Leviticus about this.
     
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  16. The Barbarian

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    Most genes today have perhaps a hundred alleles. Yet Adam and Eve could have had no more than 4 alleles for each gene. The rest would have to come about by mutation.

    "Perfect genetically" is a meaningless statement.
     
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    We are all "adam." Genesis 5:1-2. When God created "adam" (humanity), in God's image, male and female, God created them. Then God called them "adam" (humanity). We are all Adam.

    Forget the flesh of the text and seek the spiritual reading; otherwise, you'll just chase your tail.
     
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  18. Taodeching

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    Adam and Eve were the first humans. Scriptures leave things out because well it is not important to the story. I do believe Cain could have married a cousin or such and there may have been more children born to Adam and Eve. We also don't know at the time so close to paradise and creation how fast people grew up so by the time of the story there could have been many, many people running around. Hope that was not as clear as mud :)
     
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    And who are the humans from Seth, they are in Adams likeness and image

    Genesis 5:3
    When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.
     
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    Genesis 2
    4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made them.
    Genesis 1
    1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
     
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