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Featured LDS Were parts of the Bible deleted by the great and abominable church?

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Phoebe Ann, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. withwonderingawe

    withwonderingawe Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Are my quotes wrong concerning the missing scriptures and truths which should be there.
     
  2. Phoebe Ann

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    What truths are missing that cause prople to stumble? There aren't any missing truths.
     
  3. Anto9us

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    Ain't no missing sciptures -- even the 66 books of The Protestant Bible are enough to sink a battleship, although I do not dismiss the deuterocanonical books of RCC and Orthodox -- and don't know what to think of extree New Testament works in Ethiopian Church; but really, the point of the OP seems to be that LDS suggests a deliberate cutting out of 'scriptures and truths' by non-LDS churches who are abominable; and I just don't see it. The Bible refers to other writings which are not IN IT -- big whoop. Doesn't mean some "Church of Satan" excised parts. A side reference to 'Jannes and Jambres' doesn't mean we have to canonize the apocryphal work that mentions them as Pharoah's magicians who opposed Moses and Aaron; the fact that Jude quotes Enoch doesn't mean we have to canonize the Book of Enoch, you see?
     
  4. fatboys

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    Some parts have Been removed to help fit an agenda. Some parts were oft out by accident. Since prophets apostles had the OT and quoted from some of the missing books don't you think they would be just as important?
     
  5. Anto9us

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    No, not "just as important", no -- worthy of study and consideration, perhaps yes, but if they were "just as important" I do not think God would have allowed them to be either removed for an agenda or left out by accident.

    For example, the Magi had knowledge of a star that would guide them to Bethlehem. Micah had prophesied Messiah would come from Bethlehem, which was important -- but whatever non-biblical prophecies led the Magi (about the star) -- it was important for the Magi to find the toddler Jesus in the house and bring gifts, but that doesn't mean our BIBLE is 'incomplete' because it doesn't contain what exactly led the Wise Men to Jesus.
     
  6. he-man

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    Well Harris failed Isaiah 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. [Adam Clarke says: a ventriloqui- a voice that seems to come from the ground; necromancers. Isaiah 29:4 low as out of the ground, out of the dust as a familiar spirit; neocromancers. 1Chronicles 10:13 Saul died for asking council of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it.
    Regarding angels Smith says they are saints and prophets who have died and return as angels to minister to people. How absurb! Smith never read John 3:13 No man hath ascended to heaven save the son of man, himself... and acts of the apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended to heaven..., Acts of the apostles 13:36 For David saw corruption.
    Your error is in thinking that a certain style of writing means something, but it does not prove anything. The style was used long before the 2nd Century and if Smith doesn't even know the difference between Elias and Elijah his style is already ruined by the Greek which is a reformed way of writing Elijah, both of whom are one and the same person
     
  7. withwonderingawe

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    Tee-hee

    It never was in the Bible it was in the Book of Mormon. Now Joseph Smith never mentioned this and I didn’t even hear anything about it until a few years ago and my brother thinks I’m a little nutty.

    Nephi quoted Isaiah extensively but he never quotes Micah, they don't seem to have Micah. As they go along the prophecy says Jesus will be born in "the land of Jerusalem". They treat it like a city state which was common in those days, today we would call it a county.

    In Helaman 14 Samuel the Lamanite gets up on a wall and calls the wicked Nephites to repentance and prophecies about the birth of Jesus.

    3 And behold, this will I give unto you for a sign at the time of his coming; for behold, there shall be great lights in heaven, insomuch that in the night before he cometh there shall be no darkness, insomuch that it shall appear unto man as if it was day.
    4 Therefore, there shall be one day and a night and a day, as if it were one day and there were no night; and this shall be unto you for a sign; for ye shall know of the rising of the sun and also of its setting; therefore they shall know of a surety that there shall be two days and a night; nevertheless the night shall not be darkened; and it shall be the night before he is born.
    5 And behold, there shall a new star arise, such an one as ye never have beheld; and this also shall be a sign unto you.
    6 And behold this is not all, there shall be many signs and wonders in heaven.

    He jumps down from the wall and then

    7 And as they went forth to lay their hands on him, behold, he did cast himself down from the wall, and did flee out of their lands, yea, even unto his own country, and began to preach and to prophesy among his own people.
    8 And behold, he was never heard of more among the Nephites;

    At that same time
    3 Nephi
    2 And Nephi, the son of Helaman, had departed out of the land of Zarahemla, giving charge unto his son Nephi, who was his eldest son, concerning the plates of brass, and all the records which had been kept, and all those things which had been kept sacred from the departure of Lehi out of Jerusalem.
    3 Then he departed out of the land, and whither he went, no man knoweth;

    Some of us Mormons think perhaps that these men and maybe a few more are the Magi.

    Matt 2
    1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judæa in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
    2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
    3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
    4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
    5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judæa:

    All of Jerusalem were troubled, they didn’t know what they were talking about “a star”? Men who go by ship follow stars.

    The Magi didn’t know about Bethlehem and the Jews didn’t know about the star.
     
  8. withwonderingawe

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    Rev 22
    8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
     
  9. he-man

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    Revelation 1:1 of things which must shortly come to pass...[FUTURE TENSE] All of the book of revelation is of things to the future of John and not things of the past!!!!
     
  10. he-man

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    Revelation 1:1 things which must shortly come to pass... [FUTURE TENSE] not past tense. The whole book is of things which will happen after John wrote the book. Smith never read John 3:13 ..No man hath ascended unto heven ...Acts of the Apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended to heaven...; Acts of the Apostles 13:36 ..David saw corruption...
     
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  11. withwonderingawe

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    You miss the point,

    Here in Rev 22 the angels tells John "I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book:"

    So Joseph was not wrong at all.
     
  12. he-man

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    No, you miss the point of John 3:13 David is still dead as are the Prophets other wise why would there even need to be a First resurrection? Revelation 20:5
     
  13. Anto9us

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    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

    OK -- was the angel saying that HE HIMSELF was a Prophet -- or that he, the angel, was a fellow-servant of both John and the Prophets?

    thy (John's) fellowservant
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    fellowservant of 'thy brethren the Prophets"

    nuances
    paradoxes
    ambiguities
    straining at gnats

    or yeah, the angel could have meant "I am one of thy brethren the Prophets"

    doesn't turn my faith upside down either way
     
  14. Anto9us

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    Very true -- Magi were on their way to finding toddler Jesus with no knowledge of Micah's prophecy.

    Would I be INTERESTED in seeing the prophecy that told Magi about a star? Sure. It was obviously more detailed than the brief mention of a star in BOM that WWA quoted above..

    Is my Bible INCOMPLETE without it (the mention of the star) -- should I suspect "deliberate excising" or "accidental exclusion"?

    Of course not, that's silly.
     
  15. withwonderingawe

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    If you are going to read John 3's intent that way then what do you do with Elijah being taken up to heaven? or Jesus telling the man on the cross this day you will be with me in paradise? What you are missing is there is heaven where God the Father dwells and no mortal man can go there at least not until after the final judgment and then there is paradise and a spirit prison. These are where the spirits dwell as they wait for the judgement and resurrection. After that those who have pure hearts well ascend into heaven to be with God the Father. The spirit who visited John was a prophet, we do not know which one, who came as a ministering angel as it says in Hebrews 1.
     
  16. he-man

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    That was about Christ who will sit on the right hand of God and has nothing to do with John.The Angels are those who are in heaven waiting until Christ has overcome all evil. Elijah was not taken up to heaven he died and was simply taken to his burial place. Read: I say unto you today, you shall be with me in Paradise otherwise he would be in the grave because Jesus died on the cross that day and was buried in a tomb. Did you see the thief when they rolled back the stone? Get real and open your eyes.
     
  17. withwonderingawe

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    Read 2 Kings 2, he's taken up into heaven
     
  18. withwonderingawe

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    Do you not believe that there is within us all a spirit which lives on after death?
     
  19. he-man

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    NO, THE spirit returns to God Ecclesiastes 12:7
    when you die and if found subject to judgement then your spirit will br resurrected and given a new body. I assume that you have not read the actual Bible? συνδουλος G4889 Sevitor, co-slave of the same master
    Revelation 19:10; Matthew 18:29; Colossians 4:7
     
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  20. withwonderingawe

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    what do you think a spirit is?
     
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