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Weekly Bible Study – February 19, 2018. The Sword of the Spirit manifested in the Life of Jesus Christ, the Passover analogies. Part 2.
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Weekly Bible Study – February 19, 2018
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Which conveniently ignores the rest that Our Lord says in John, proving two things.
1/ you cannot take single verses and proof text from them, the bible must be read holistically. Even in the next sentences of a John after the quote in this study Jesus makes eternal life contingent on other things, not just "believing". Indeed the New Testament is full of "do this "" do not do that"
2/ scripture is materially sufficient not formally sufficient, tradition and authority are needed for definitive interpretation. Tradition carries the meaning.
Since the OP is quoting from mid John 6 , let us give what apostle John actually handed on ( paradosis, tradition) as the meaning of that section, rather than the OP opinion of one verse only.
We can see from early fathers and early church practice, visible in the writings of polycarp, ignatius ( e.g. To smyrneans) , both disciples of John , that the meaning was the institution of a Eucharist of real presence " real flesh" quote Justin Martyr, the sacrament valid only if performed by a bishop in succession ,or his appointee, in a liturgical sacramental church. And that our Lord says is needed to be " raised up at the last day" without it you have " no life in you". Thatsiswhat the early church believed because that is what apostles handed down( the meaning of tradition)
So not easy believism then, or OSAS which no early church fathers advocate, and "fast food " Christianity like this is a very modern invention, that had no place in early church teaching.
Showing you cannot be a non denom and follow the teachings of John the apostle, or early church, since you no long have a priesthood in succession, or therefore a valid Eucharist.
Authority and tradition carry the interpretation of scripture,
1/ you cannot take single verses and proof text from them, the bible must be read holistically. Even in the next sentences of a John after the quote in this study Jesus makes eternal life contingent on other things, not just "believing". Indeed the New Testament is full of "do this "" do not do that"
2/ scripture is materially sufficient not formally sufficient, tradition and authority are needed for definitive interpretation. Tradition carries the meaning.
Since the OP is quoting from mid John 6 , let us give what apostle John actually handed on ( paradosis, tradition) as the meaning of that section, rather than the OP opinion of one verse only.
We can see from early fathers and early church practice, visible in the writings of polycarp, ignatius ( e.g. To smyrneans) , both disciples of John , that the meaning was the institution of a Eucharist of real presence " real flesh" quote Justin Martyr, the sacrament valid only if performed by a bishop in succession ,or his appointee, in a liturgical sacramental church. And that our Lord says is needed to be " raised up at the last day" without it you have " no life in you". Thatsiswhat the early church believed because that is what apostles handed down( the meaning of tradition)
So not easy believism then, or OSAS which no early church fathers advocate, and "fast food " Christianity like this is a very modern invention, that had no place in early church teaching.
Showing you cannot be a non denom and follow the teachings of John the apostle, or early church, since you no long have a priesthood in succession, or therefore a valid Eucharist.
Authority and tradition carry the interpretation of scripture,
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