We’re Ready to Rebuild the Third Temple

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They will ALL accept HIM as Lord and Messiah. Paul plainly says that in the chapter quoted.
It would be nice to think, but Paul also says they are under God's wrath until the end.

“forbidding us to speak to the nations that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always, but the anger did come upon them—to the end!” (1 Thessalonians 2:16) (YLT)
 
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Descendants of Jacob = Israel proper.
Grafted in Gentiles = Commonwealth of Israel.

Again, Rom 11 clearly states that the “enemies of the gospel” are counted as part of Israel.
Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him.
 
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Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him.
Your preconceptions are blinding you to the plain meaning of the text.

Give me chapter and verse that states that Jesus is Israel. (And the Jews are not)

An olive branch is still an olive branch even when it gets broken off. It does not magically turn into a Maple or a Pine or a Peach branch.
 
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It would be nice to think, but Paul also says they are under God's wrath until the end.

“forbidding us to speak to the nations that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always, but the anger did come upon them—to the end!” (1 Thessalonians 2:16) (YLT)

And the end is rapidly approaching when many who call themselves Christians are going to be in for a very big shock.
Matthew 7:21
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"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
 
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Your preconceptions are blinding you to the plain meaning of the text.
No, Jesus told us to preach the gospel to the whole world (gentiles). And he is with us until the end of time. So the times of the gentiles remain until the end of the world.
 
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And the end is rapidly approaching when many who call themselves Christians are going to be in for a very big shock.
Matthew 7:21
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"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Ans the broken off Jews certainly do not do God's will.
 
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No, Jesus told us to preach the gospel to the whole world (gentiles).
Read that instruction in Acts 1 again. You start in Jerusalem and Judea. Paul says the gospel is “to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek.” That is NOT chronological, it is ordinal. Gospel to the Jew should be EVERYONE’s first order of business.
 
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That is an un-scripture teaching that even Jesus denied. The Bible clearly says the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are both eternal, unconditional, and everlasting. Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. So are you calling G_d a Liar?
Operative word being "fulfill"; because like any covenant (contract) that is fulfilled, they cease to exist because both parties in the contract have been "satisfied". With Christ's sacrifice, His rising from the dead, and His ascension those covenants are only history. We do learn that God fulfills His promises, and the old covenants have been fulfilled.

So, from the time of His ascension we are in the end times, and He can return any time; only the Father knows the day and the time.

BTW it is really bad form to imply that someone is calling God a liar; while that may be your position, others may also believe that you are misrepresenting Scripture, and therefore God's truth, but so far have had the decency not to either imply or say that such is the case.

Being enslaved to rules, or thinking that we can have a hand in facilitating or hastening our Lord's second coming through the "third temple" or Zionism is legalism; legalism implies that we can participate in or cooperate with our own salvation; this diminishes Christ's all availing sacrifice on the cross.

Christ Himself speaks of the new covenant in His blood, given and shed for the forgiveness of sins. This covenant we are invited to, and motivated to participate in in the Eucharist through faith in Christ; we are neither compelled to nor commanded to build the third temple (Christ did that) or to be Zionists.
 
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Indeed, there is a growing “Temple Movement” in Israel today with thousands of Jews working to rebuild the Temple.
We’re Ready to Rebuild the Temple

Push to rebuild Jerusalem Temple has earth-shaking implications
Push to rebuild Jerusalem Temple has earth-shaking implications - WND

The Coming Third Jewish Temple
It Will Be Built In Time For The Fulfillment Of Daniel's 70th Week

NTEB: The Coming Third Jewish Temple



On one level it will begin the stabilization of the climate of the Middle East. Nations that allow Jews and Noahides to travel to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles will have rain in due season.

Zechariah 14:17

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain."

That river flowing from the Ezekiel temple is really, really, really good news as well......

Ezekiel 47:1 (KJV)

Eze 47:1


Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
....

Eze 47:8

Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
 
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Operative word being "fulfill"; because like any covenant (contract) that is fulfilled, they cease to exist because both parties in the contract have been "satisfied". With Christ's sacrifice, His rising from the dead, and His ascension those covenants are only history. We do learn that God fulfills His promises, and the old covenants have been fulfilled.

So, from the time of His ascension we are in the end times, and He can return any time; only the Father knows the day and the time.

BTW it is really bad form to imply that someone is calling God a liar; while that may be your position, others may also believe that you are misrepresenting Scripture, and therefore God's truth, but so far have had the decency not to either imply or say that such is the case.

Being enslaved to rules, or thinking that we can have a hand in facilitating or hastening our Lord's second coming through the "third temple" or Zionism is legalism; legalism implies that we can participate in or cooperate with our own salvation; this diminishes Christ's all availing sacrifice on the cross.

Christ Himself speaks of the new covenant in His blood, given and shed for the forgiveness of sins. This covenant we are invited to, and motivated to participate in in the Eucharist through faith in Christ; we are neither compelled to nor commanded to build the third temple (Christ did that) or to be Zionists.

I suggest you go back and actually read all the terms of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants as well as Jesus' teachings about Israel to come in the End-times and His rule in it which I highly doubt you know. All the Terms have not all been fulfilled or Jesus would not be Returning a Second Time to Earth since according to your logic there would be no point to Him doing it as everything has already been fulfilled or has it? So the contracts as you say are still LEGAL and BINDING! You do not understand the Old Testament as well as you think you do a Messianic Congregation could school you on the finer points as such Messianic Believers in Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus) understand it much clearer than the vast majority of average Christians do. Most Christians have a vast lack understanding of the Covenants G_d made with the Old Testament Jews and Israel unlike the superior understanding of the Messianic Believers in Jesus. Considering the hate Messianic Believers in Jesus suffer from both so called Christians and fellow Jews they have to understand their beliefs before ever making their stands of faith! Messianic Believers in Jesus do not stop being Jews when they accept Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus) as their promised Messiah any more than Jesus' Apostles, Peter, or the thousands of First Century Jews that believed in Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus). Messianic Jewish Congregations (Messianic Believers in Jesus) should receive massive support from the Christian Churches yet how many of you here do so or their Churches actively support Messianic Jewish Congregations????

Anyone? Anyone at all?
 
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Romans 11:25-32
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved. As it is written:


“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.


Romans 11:16-24
16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

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There is no reason to believe that there will ever be a third temple.
First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth.
 
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First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth.

:amen:It is nice to see some do understand!
 
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As you wish; fret over signs and read between the lines while I will continue to to concentrate on the Grace that God has afforded me, an unworthy poor miserable sinner.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
 
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Dave L said in post #41:

In the New Testament, Jesus and the Church are God's Temple..not made with hands.

Note that Acts 7:48-50, like Acts 17:24, refers back to the principle of Isaiah 66:1-2a, which was true even at the time of Solomon's temple (2 Chronicles 2:6). It means that the Creator God YHWH is too big to dwell only in temples made with hands. For it is not contradicting that God did dwell in Solomon's temple (1 Kings 8:11). And then God dwelt in the second Jewish temple (Matthew 23:21), in which the Church continued to worship God even after Jesus Christ's sacrificial death for our sins, and His physical resurrection on the third day (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). And so nothing requires that God will not also dwell in the future, third Jewish temple, which will be built in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). And God could also dwell in the fourth temple, which will be built in Jerusalem during the future Millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13), which will not begin until after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

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Dave L said in post #59:

You are misinterpreting Revelation and adding to the book when you make the kingdom physical . . .

Presently, the Kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). But in the future, the Kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will also be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21), and then forever on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-8), as in a new surface for the earth.

Jesus Christ's Kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at His future, Second Coming, He will sit on the earthly throne of King David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in His humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' Second Coming, He will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And He will bring salvation to all of the still-living, non-Christian elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living, non-Christian elect Jews) will become Christians when they see Jesus at His Second Coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the Church at that time. For there are no Christians outside of the Church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected Church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the Church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
 
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Phil 1:21 said in post #55:

John 4:21-24

Note that John 4:21-24 was not contradicting that Christians could worship God in spirit and in truth in the second Jewish temple building in Jerusalem, even after Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on the Cross for our sins, and His physical resurrection (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). Instead, John 4:21-24 means that under the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), and up until Jesus' future, Second Coming, people will not be required to go to a temple building in Jerusalem to worship God like they had been required to do at least three times a year under the (now abolished) letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Deuteronomy 16:16; 2 Chronicles 8:12-16). Only after Jesus' future, Second Coming (Zechariah 14:3-4), during His Millennial reign (Zechariah 14:9, Revelation 20:4-6), will people be required to go up once a year to worship the physically returned Jesus in a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16-21).
 
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