Washington Times: Obama's plan is to destroy America's private health care industry

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That wasn't the statement made. The statement was made it was opposed because it was democrat proposed. If a republican had put it forward, then yes, it likely would have been voted for by republicans.


The likelyhood of it being proposed is more debatable. The original framework was used as a counter-proposal to single payer, so without that proposition on the board, highly unlikely. But if congress pushed forward a single payer bill with large support under a republican president, there could have been a resurrection of the ACA's predecessor to be used as a compromise, if they thought there was a significant chance of a single payer bill making it through.

Ok. And my statement is, a republican would not have put the ACA forward for a vote, no matter who was president.
 
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Ok. And my statement is, a republican would not have put the ACA forward for a vote, no matter who was president.

history would show that to be false. They did just that in 1993, with 2 dems joining them. It was titled Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993. They also put forth a bipartisan bill with some dem support in 2007.
 
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So, none of the blame goes to people who were actually, you know, responsible for passing the law?

:doh:

Or signing it?

It say that if lawmakers draft a poor law and vote for a poor law, and the president signs a poor law, it is the lawmakers who passed it, and the president who signed it who bear responsibility for the outcome.
Agreed. As well as those particular supreme court justices who voted that the whole package met constitutional muster.

I've come to think also that Obama is intent on destroying America. I heard there was a video wherein the failure of a first lady, who said she was proud for the first time to be an American only after her husband was elected, wherein she is seen to be saying "all this for that damn flag!" during a ceremony of some sort. This ascertained by a lip reading expert.

May be false testimony from the Tea party side, not saying that is so but it could be argued. However, with her personal remarks about her pride as an American previously and that Barack Obama refuses to salute the flag when he is commander in chief of the U.S military, it does bear consideration as holding an air of truth.

What were the American people thinking when they made the Obama mistake. Twice!
 
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history would show that to be false. They did just that in 1993, with 2 dems joining them. It was titled Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993. They also put forth a bipartisan bill with some dem support in 2007.

And how did those bills compare side by side to the ACA?
 
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I'm afraid that the argument actually holds. Republicans in particular have a bad habit of supporting something right up until a democrat suggests it. Ironic that you mention McCain, who thought Chuck Hagel was one of the greatest things since sliced bread...until Obama nominated him for secretary of defense.

You do realize that a lot of Republicans believe that McCain is getting senile to say the least...

Well, it didn't seize any of the economy. I think it is a bit of paranoia at work with this statement.

While that is one possibility, it is also possible that you are just being incredibly naive.

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations
Based on the NBC article, it looks like I'm not being paranoid.
 
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I see lots of back and forth on who to credit or who to blame for the ACA, but no one is refuting the OP's position that Obama wants to destroy the private health care industry in the US, so the only choice is a public health care aka single payer.

Amazing. Obama should be impeached at a minimum.
 
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I see lots of back and forth on who to credit or who to blame for the ACA, but no one is refuting the OP's position that Obama wants to destroy the private health care industry in the US, so the only choice is a public health care aka single payer.

Amazing. Obama should be impeached at a minimum.

I don't think Obama wants to destroy the private health care industry. In fact, the ACA caves to the private insurance industry.
 
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I don't think Obama wants to destroy the private health care industry. In fact, the ACA caves to the private insurance industry.

That is the smoke screen, but I've heard from liberals all along that the real objective is single payer. And, I think that is also what Obama wants, he just contrived the ACA as a time bomb to make it happen. He isn't an idiot, and I think Obama knew the country would never go directly to a single payer system, because we aren't socialists broad based. In fact, only 20% of Americans self identify as liberals. But, as the article points out, miscalculations were made, and the implosion may have the opposite effect, upending the entire strategy to go to single payer for decades to come.
 
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"Obamacare is doomed to fail eventually, not because of a website failure, but rather because the law itself is internally contradictory and in violation of the fundamental laws of economics, the hallmark of all grandiose schemes of central planning and government control. In the process of failing, Obamacare will destroy not only the individual health insurance market (which there is now little doubt was an integral and intentional design objective of the measure), but also eventually eliminate the employer group health insurance market as well, which will doom Obamacare as we know it."

Read more: HUNTER: His plan is to destroy America's private health care industry - Washington Times
A lot of us have been saying that from the beginning. Obamacare care will require fix after fix after fix until the final fix is government run healthcare leaving government in control of vast areas of our lives
 
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That is the smoke screen, but I've heard from liberals all along that the real objective is single payer. And, I think that is also what Obama wants, he just contrived the ACA as a time bomb to make it happen. He isn't an idiot, and I think Obama knew the country would never go directly to a single payer system, because we aren't socialists broad based. In fact, only 20% of Americans self identify as liberals. But, as the article points out, miscalculations were made, and the implosion may have the opposite effect, upending the entire strategy to go to single payer for decades to come.

As I have stated, in theory, I think a single payer would be the best way to go, I just don't have the faith that government would do it properly without significant regulation and oversight involved.

Here is the other factor; the insurance industry employees millions of people and makes billions in profits and they are a powerful lobbying power. The dems are just as prone to cave to this fact as the republicans and none of these representatives wants to go home and face the elimination of 50,000 jobs because they just put an insurance company out of business.
 
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I think Obama knew the country would never go directly to a single payer system, because we aren't socialists broad based.

I beg to differ. Medicare--which is modified single payer public health insurance--is extremely popular. A similar system, when properly structured, will be accepted readily, and will be infinitely better than what existed before ACA. (And it needn't be tax funded, btw.)
 
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That is the smoke screen, but I've heard from liberals all along that the real objective is single payer.

Well, that's the objective of those of us who are very liberal. I don't think Obama is anywhere as liberal as we are, though. He did want a public option but allowed the blue dogs to torpedo it.
 
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I beg to differ. Medicare--which is modified single payer public health insurance--is extremely popular. A similar system, when properly structured, will be accepted readily, and will be infinitely better than what existed before ACA. (And it needn't be tax funded, btw.)
How so?
 
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I beg to differ. Medicare--which is modified single payer public health insurance--is extremely popular. A similar system, when properly structured, will be accepted readily, and will be infinitely better than what existed before ACA. (And it needn't be tax funded, btw.)

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Well, that's the objective of those of us who are very liberal. I don't think Obama is anywhere as liberal as we are, though. He did want a public option but allowed the blue dogs to torpedo it.

Blue dogs? :confused:
 
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