Washington Post promises catastrophic violence if Biden does not win

[The Barbarian]

After 13 years and 10,330 posts, I've learned not to waste my time with "closed minds" who are either unable and/or unwilling to invest the time and effort to provide a coherent response!

I'm an incurable optimist. I think everyone can be helped, given enough time.

And I'm a very patient guy.

 

[johneb]

He's probably talking about the rise in violent crime on Trump's watch, the murder of police by right-wing terrorists, and the shooting of demonstrators by a right-wing gunman.



Sure:

Far-right ‘boogaloo boys’ linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

'White supremacists' arrested while trying to amplify protest violence, Richmond mayor says
This weekend in Richmond, Virginia, police arrested several such saboteurs during a Black Lives Matter protest, according to city Mayor Levar Stoney. “White supremacists” were carrying pro-BLM signs and breaking windows at downtown businesses, Stoney said, but were stopped when BLM protesters pointed them out to police.
'White supremacists' arrested while trying to amplify protest violence, Richmond mayor says

Right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any

New research, based on almost 900 politically-motivated plots and murders in the US since 1994, found only one person's death in the last 25 years was linked to "antifa" or anti-fascists, and the person who died was the attacker.

In comparison, over that same period, 329 murders were linked to the far-right. When the label was broadened from anti-fascists to left-wing violence, it found 21 victims had been killed since 2010, compared to 117 in right-wing violence in the same time period.

Jihadist groups were responsible for 95 people's deaths since 2010

The database, which was compiled by a thinktank called the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was launched after Trump's administration spent several months stoking the possibility of left-wing violence, especially during the George Floyd protests.

Seth Jones, a counter-terrorism expert, who helped create the dataset, told The Guardian: "Left-wing violence has not been a major terrorism threat."
Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study

There's a lot more. Would you like me to show you more? There's really no point in denial, is there?

This is left wing media propaganda you will need to do better than that to convince me that the majority of riots we are seeing in democrat run states and cities are caused by right wing extremist when in reality the violence is from the left wing extremist. Why do you think these democrat mayors and governors are allowing it to continue?
I would say your assumptions 180 degrees from the truth.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is left wing media propaganda

Yes, we've heard it before:

"THE FBI AND THE POLICE ARE LYING!!!! THEY ARE ALL LYING!!!"

you will need to do better than that to convince me

Of course. No amount of facts are going to affect your beliefs. But those are the facts. Trump's own FBI director admits it.

That recent spate of FBI arrests of violent neo-Nazis planning acts of terrorism is apparently not a fluke: The agency, according to its director, now recognizes far-right extremists as the leading threat of domestic terrorism in the United States, and has adjusted its enforcement work accordingly.


Appearing before the House Judiciary Committee’s oversight panel this week, FBI Director Christopher Wray explained that he had placed “racially motivated violent extremists” at the agency’s highest threat level, comparable to that assigned to terrorism by Islamic State actors.

“We’re particularly focused on domestic terrorism, especially racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists,” Wray told the committee. “Not only is the terror threat diverse, it’s unrelenting.”


In a written statement given to the committee, Wray explained, “Trends may shift, but the underlying drivers for domestic violent extremism—such as perceptions of government or law enforcement overreach, socio-political conditions, racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and reactions to legislative actions—remain constant.”


Wray added, “The top threat we face from domestic violent extremists stems from those we now identify as racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVEs). RMVEs were the primary source of ideologically-motivated lethal incidents and violence in 2018 and 2019, and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremism movements since 2001.”


Much of his time in the Wednesday hearing was devoted to responding to Republican committee members who were not even remotely interested in the issue of right-wing terrorism; rather, they were focused on questioning Wray about whether the FBI had handled the 2016 investigations into Donald Trump’s campaign connections to Russian operatives. Wray deflected most of those questions by affirming, as he had previously, that the FBI concurred with the report from the Department of Justice inspector general's office that found that, while there was some inappropriate mishandling of documents, the surveillance was fully justified.
FBI has finally elevated far-right domestic terrorism to the top tier of threats to Americans

Violence by far right is among US’s most dangerous terrorist threats, study finds

FBI Director Wray says white supremacist violence is fueling most domestic terrorism

Right-wing extremists killed 38 people in U.S. in 2019, Anti-Defamation League finds

Learn to accommodate reality.

 

[Aldebaran]

They include the White Supremacists who have ambushed and murdered police officers. But the black guy, if he had an ideological intent,would fit under some other category of domestic terrorism.

His intent was to kill 2 police officers.
Glad to clear that up for you.

 

[The Barbarian]

His intent was to kill 2 police officers.

If so, it's hard to figure out why he shot a number of civilians in the demonstration.
Five officers were killed; nine other officers and two civilians were injured.
...
According to Chief Brown, Johnson appeared delusional during his standoff; "We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to kill some more."
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

Most of the officers were killed trying to stop the shooter while the two BLM demonstrators were shot in the march or trying to get cover.

But as you now realize right-wing white supremacists have been responsible for most terrorist actions in the U.S. and by far, most of the killings.

Glad to clear that up for you.

 

[Aldebaran]

If so, it's hard to figure out why he shot a number of civilians in the demonstration.
Five officers were killed; nine other officers and two civilians were injured.
...
According to Chief Brown, Johnson appeared delusional during his standoff; "We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to kill some more."
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

Most of the officers were killed trying to stop the shooter while the two BLM demonstrators were shot in the march or trying to get cover.

But as you now realize right-wing white supremacists have been responsible for most terrorist actions in the U.S. and by far, most of the killings.

Glad to clear that up for you.

I was referring to the 2 officers shot in Compton.
Glad to clear that up for you, but don't expect it to stay that way.

 

[The Barbarian]

I was referring to the 2 officers shot in Compton.

And the shooter? Tell us about him.

Is he another one of these...?

The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."
Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'

 

[Aldebaran]

And the shooter? Tell us about him.

Is he another one of these...?

He hasn't been caught yet. The video shows a black guy shooting the cops and then cowardly running away.

 

[RushMAN]

He hasn't been caught yet. The video shows a black guy shooting the cops and then cowardly running away.

Yep, that's "peaceful" BLM for you.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yep, that's "peaceful" BLM for you.

Because he's a black guy, right? No wonder people assume all right-wingers are racists.

 

[The Barbarian]

He hasn't been caught yet. The video shows a black guy shooting the cops and then cowardly running away.

So you don't know if he's just a criminal with a grudge, or an islamist, or whatever. I appreciate that you didn't just assume he was a BLM supporter, though.

You suppose that a black man can't be a right-wing terrorist like the rest of those who murdered police?

 

[Aldebaran]

Because he's a black guy, right? No wonder people assume all right-wingers are racists.

Did you already forget the part where he shot the 2 cops? Or are you just conveniently ignoring it?

 

[Aldebaran]

So you don't know if he's just a criminal with a grudge, or an islamist, or whatever. I appreciate that you didn't just assume he was a BLM supporter, though.

Yeah, that's the important thing, right?

 

[The Barbarian]

Yeah, that's the important thing, right?

If that were true, you'd actually have a point. So yeah, it matters.

So far, the political killings of police officers have been by right-wing terrorists.

 

[The Barbarian]

(assumes shooter is BLM)

Because he's a black guy, right? No wonder people assume all right-wingers are racists.

Did you already forget the part where he shot the 2 cops?

That means he's BLM? Seems unlikely. So far, political killing of police has been exclusively a right-wing behavior. Or are you just conveniently ignoring it?

 

[Sketcher]

No. That's false. He's repeatedly done that. No point in denying it. Would you like me to show you?

Sure.

 

[The Barbarian]

Sure.

Frustrated with a record number of people seeking asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2019, Trump at one point asked in a private meeting with close aides whether the U.S. could shoot migrants below the waist to slow them down.

The account, first reported in a book excerpt released by the The New York Times, was confirmed to ABC News by a senior administration official who was in the room at the time, as well as several other sources who were later briefed on the conversation.

According to two sources familiar with the matter, Trump in private meetings raised the prospect of shooting migrant families seeking asylum at the border as early as November 2018 and again in March 2019.
A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as inciting violence

During a rally for Montana Republicans ahead of the midterms, Trump praised Rep. Greg Gianforte, who allegedly body slammed a reporter back when he was initially running for his congressional seat in 2017.

"Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!" Trump said on Thursday to cheers.

(Gianforte was arrested and convicted of assault)
...
In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the day of the Iowa caucuses, for instance, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters.

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise," the future president said on Feb. 1, 2016.

"Get him out," he said of a protester. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it."
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On March 9, 2016, as a protester was being escorted out of a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, he was sucker-punched by another attendee.

The day after the Fayetteville incident, the Trump campaign released a statement that didn't mention Trump's earlier comments at other rallies where he appeared to suggest hitting protesters.
A look back at Trump comments perceived by some as inciting violence

 

[Aldebaran]

If that were true, you'd actually have a point. So yeah, it matters.

So far, the political killings of police officers have been by right-wing terrorists.

The guy hasn't even been caught yet and you somehow already know that? Just because the guy is obviously a barbarian doesn't mean you know his motives.

 

[Aldebaran]

That means he's BLM? Seems unlikely. So far, political killing of police has been exclusively a right-wing behavior. Or are you just conveniently ignoring it?

Is it those on the right who have been upset at the police lately? Are those on the Right the ones calling for the defunding of police departments, or even the outright abolishing of those departments? In the words of Joe Biden, "Come on man! Get with it!"

 

[The Barbarian]

Is it those on the right who have been upset at the police lately?

They are the ones killing police, so I suppose so.

Are those on the Right the ones calling for the defunding of police departments, or even the outright abolishing of those departments?

I know that Biden opposes defunding police. It appears that the right-wing terrorists just want to kill them.

The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."
Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'

Biden wants to provide public safety with more funding for dealing with the mentally-ill and other people that have frequently been the targets of police violence.

A Biden presidential campaign aide said the Democrat “hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change” after George Floyd’s death by police in Minneapolis refocused the nation’s attention on institutional racism. But spokesman Andrew Bates added that Biden “does not believe that police should be defunded,” as some Minneapolis authorities are pursuing locally and some activists are demanding nationally.
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“Biden supports the urgent need for reform -- including funding for public schools, summer programs, and mental health and substance abuse treatment separate from funding for policing -- so that officers can focus on the job of policing,” Bates said.

In the words of Joe Biden, "Come on man! Get with it!"

Seems to me a better response to police violence, than defunding police. How about you?