Protestant here only talk by the appearance of things, by external signs, cannot see the inside of things...Surprising...
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You have no idea what you're talking about. We don't pray to things, we pray to God.
Regarding the picture of the Pope, again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Modern popes, like their early Christian predecessors, had no desire to be Pope. They are chosen by the College of Cardinals with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It's not something you run for and get elected, every time that's ever been done, someone else was elected. And while he is sovereign of the Vatican State, it's not him who chooses to be paraded like that.
I'd really love to hear your version of the Spanish Inquisiton. Amantiado, anyone? How many millions would you say the Spanish Inqusition killed?
why would you stay connected to a vine you yourself have admitted they have all partaken in the death and murder of others under the banner of Christ. I could only wonder what a sect or denomination has to do before you would leave, roots are so important to a plant, Its somtimes better to start with a new seed then try to nurse an old plant back to health that has produced rotten fruit.
The foundation is Christ, If what has been built in the early stages of constuction is weak and found crumbling, why would you want to build on top of such a structure.
biblically Its always better to start again, the foundation is Rock solid, what is built on this Rock is crucial for its ability to stand in the storms to come
I fail to see how your examples explain bowing to the Pope? men bowed to our apostles and they told them to get up because they are men just like them. Is the Pope not a man just like the apostles? Your examples showing people bowing for different reasons to different people and animals suggest if it's ok for them, it's ok for the Pope. The Pope lives like a Egyptian King, can you deny that? Peter lived a very humble simple life, so did the other apostles. You believe the Pope is the continuation of the apostle authority, yet he doesn't act like a apostle in any shape or form. he acts more like a Egyptian King of Royalty. People bowing to him, kissing his hands, all a form of worship, even if not equal to the worship of God is still a form of idolization the apostles made a strict point to speak against. All your Popes seemed to love and lavish this idolization and form of worship they receive. I see no evidence otherwise. Whats really odd is none of that seems to bother any Catholics. Truly odd.
It is possible to put one's head down and not be worshipping the Pope, that's true, but when one does it before the Pope or a statue of someone dead or engages in various other acts of worship, it is fair to ask if this is a practice that should be engaged in. Most of your pictures had nothing to do with prayer or religion or anything of the sort, so they are not easily confused with worship.
Then how is it ok for the followers to want to put the Pope on a pedestal like this?
Your point being...???She wore a distinctive habit that, I believe, she herself designed for her religious order of sisters. And she appeared before the United Nations assembly as well as other, similar organizations. ????
I was not making a blanket statement of all pastors of all Protestant denominations. I agree there are those, such as the televangelists and the like (including pastors of the mega-churches), that do not exemplify the servant-leader role. However, there are plenty pastors in the smaller churches that do.
FWIW, I can't quite buy this analysis of the servant pastor who doesn't wear any vestments because he doesn't want to put on any false pride, etc.
Not when these are the folks who want to be called "Apostle," "Prophet" or "Doctor," wear $600 suits during worship services, and are treated to special--but well-publicized--testimonial dinners for themselves and the "First Lady" every couple of months. None of the mainline churches engages in that kind of promotion, even if their clergy do wear a gown on Sunday morning.
Vestments are worn to put down the person inside them, in order that the congregation would see Christ.
oh my.
I can't wait for your next history lesson. "the Holocaust was not so bad. A few people did some things wrong. But have you seen any fraternity initiations? They are exactly the same thing."
On second thought, once is enough.
Then how is it ok for the followers to want to put the Pope on a pedestal like this?
Are you blaming the Holocaust on Catholics? Tell me why the Spanish Inquisition, as an entity, was such a bad idea. Provide scholarly proof, please? Note: I am not saying that individuals involved in the Inquisition didn't do bad things. Hideous things. Some did. Not as many as you think. But just like I think the 9th Circuit Court is wrong much of the time, I don't fault the institution of the court system.
But apparently, you do. Please explain.
How is it ok for players to parade their coach on their shoulders like that? It's not an act of worship.
Let's just go with the first part of that sentence and leave the superstition out of it.
Might be superstition to you, but that's the purpose of vestments.
First of all, and yes I am making an assumption here but, he is not saying Catholics are responsible for the Holocaust, he was making an example of how something can be erroneously downplayed.
As for the Spanish Inquisition I will say that any case where the church forces people to convert to Christianity upon pain of death and/or torture is asbolutely wrong. Nowhere in the bible is there an example of the church being required forcibly convert people.
Thanks for remaining within the same context.
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