Was the Crucifixion really on a Friday?

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The day begins at night. So the Preparation of the Passover FEAST is actually on the 14th. That DAY until NIGHT comes, one can prepare and do work. But when nightfall comes then is the Sabbath and the Feast Day (First Day of Unleavened Bread) when they eat their Passover Lamb.
That is right. They sacrificed the lambs on the 14th. They roasted the lamb and prepared the meal and on the 14th. The 15th began at sunset. Then they sat down to eat the meal and remembered the story of Exodus.

I heard a Passover sermon given by a Messianic Christian pastor in Israel. He said they ate it in haste. If you are ever fleeing persecution, you must go quickly.
 
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The Jews used a Lunar Calendar, the Sabbath days are also based on a Lunar Calendar. So we know the Feast of Unleavened Bread is always going to fall on the 15th day of the first Lunar Month. That day will also be a Sabbath Day everytime because the MOON dictates the SABBATH day and the Feast Day.
New Moon (Day 1 of the month)
First Sliver (Day 2 of the month but first day of the week - always)...
First Quarter Moon (Day 8 of the month) - Always a Sabbath day.
Full Moon (Day 15 of the month) - Always a Sabbath day.
You see? - Since the Feast always is on the 15th - that is always a High Sabbath meaning a Feast day that is on the Sabbath Day.
Philo himself wrote about how the phases of the moon would coincide with the sabbaths.
Philo and the Sabbath determined by the moon
Philo knew more than any modern day Jewish scholar about the practices of Judaism during the time of Christ
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Your opinion of the Jews is nonsense. As I thought you don't really have any idea who Philo was or what he wrote. You are quoting second hand what some other source claims Philo said. Have you ever tried to find Philo's writing?
Had you bothered to notice I quoted from a Jewish source, now, today. If anybody should know when the Jewish feasts should be it is them and that source clearly said that this year, 3 months ago, Passover and 1 ULB was on a Sunday the 28th of March.
It is impossible for any event that occurs on a numbered day of the month, e.g. Christmas the 25 and the 4th of July, for that event to be on the same day of the week every year. No matter how much you want it to be so, impossible.
Read about solar and lunar years at this link.
How to Calculate Age in Lunar Years
Since for both calendars the lunar/solar rotations are longer than the respective calendars extra "intercalary" days have to be inserted periodically. Such as leap year, an extra day has to be added every 4 years.
 
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Your opinion of the Jews is nonsense. As I thought you don't really have any idea who Philo was or what he wrote. You are quoting second hand what some other source claims Philo said. Have you ever tried to find Philo's writing?
Had you bothered to notice I quoted from a Jewish source, now, today. If anybody should know when the Jewish feasts should be it is them and that source clearly said that this year, 3 months ago, Passover and 1 ULB was on a Sunday the 28th of March.
It is impossible for any event that occurs on a numbered day of the month, e.g. Christmas the 25 and the 4th of July, for that event to be on the same day of the week every year. No matter how much you want it to be so, impossible.
Read about solar and lunar years at this link.
How to Calculate Age in Lunar Years
Since for both calendars the lunar/solar rotations are longer than the respective calendars extra "intercalary" days have to be inserted periodically. Such as leap year, an extra day has to be added every 4 years.

I really don't have to say much here. The Truth speaks loud enough for any serious student of this subject to eventually discover that the Jews used a Lunar Calendar and that they kept their Sabbath days accordingly.

You also need to study fallacies because clearly you don't understand all the Fallacies in what you presented for your arguments. You can start by looking up these:

Strawman argument
Appeal to Authority
Ad Hominem
False Dilemma

As the content of your post contained those fallacies.
 
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What conflict in the Gospel accounts are you referring to with respect to the Calendar?

(CLV) Mk 14:12
And on the first day of unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the passover, His disciples are saying to Him, "Where dost Thou want us to come away that we should be making ready, that Thou mayest eat the passover?"


(CLV) Jn 18:28
They are, then, leading Jesus from Caiaphas into the pretorium. Now it was morning, and they did not enter into the pretorium lest they may be defiled, but may be eating the passover.

When is the the Pesach to be eaten according to Torah?
 
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I really don't have to say much here. The Truth speaks loud enough for any serious student of this subject to eventually discover that the Jews used a Lunar Calendar and that they kept their Sabbath days accordingly.
You also need to study fallacies because clearly you don't understand all the Fallacies in what you presented for your arguments.
You can start by looking up these:
Strawman argument
Appeal to Authority
Ad Hominem
False Dilemma
As the content of your post contained those fallacies.
Nonsense! You quite evidently do not know what any of these are. As a matter of fact you committed Ad Hominem by accusing me of all these.
If me quoting Jewish authorities was "appeal to authority" what do you call you posting second hand quotes from Philo? Hello kettle.
Appeal to authority usually consists of quoting some notable figure who has no expertise in the topic at hand. For example some of Thomas Jefferson's religious views are sometimes quoted as authoritative on some particular religious point, just because he was president, while ignoring the fact he did not believe in the resurrection.
Quoting a medical doctor on a medical issues is almost never "appeal to authority". Quoting a noted Judge on a legal issue is almost never appeal to authority.
A false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides when there are many options or sides.There was no such argument in my post.
 
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(CLV) Mk 14:12
And on the first day of unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the passover, His disciples are saying to Him, "Where dost Thou want us to come away that we should be making ready, that Thou mayest eat the passover?"


(CLV) Jn 18:28
They are, then, leading Jesus from Caiaphas into the pretorium. Now it was morning, and they did not enter into the pretorium lest they may be defiled, but may be eating the passover.

When is the the Pesach to be eaten according to Torah?

Regarding the first part you provided. The Last Supper was a Passover meal but not on Passover. Just as the Disciples celebrate the Sabbath by resting from their works, they are not in need of observing a certain day or esteeming one day above another. Origen talks more about this. See the following link:

Origen: Commentary on John, Book 10 (Roberts-Donaldson)

Now regarding your second piece, there are various laws that could make the Priest unclean for several days. Consider the following for example:

Num 19:14 This is the law, when a man dieth in a tent: all that come into the tent, and all that is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days.

So obviously, the Priests would have to avoid getting into any such situation as it related to Jesus in order to ensure they were clean for the Passover.
 
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Regarding the first part you provided. The Last Supper was a Passover meal but not on Passover. Just as the Disciples celebrate the Sabbath by resting from their works, they are not in need of observing a certain day or esteeming one day above another. Origen talks more about this. See the following link:

Origen: Commentary on John, Book 10 (Roberts-Donaldson)

So Yahshua told his disciples to break Torah? I'm going to rule that one out.

Commentary is entertaining; but I put more trust in scripture.
 
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So here is more data to show that 32 AD is the year of the crucifixion.

Consider Africanus. He said that Tiberius was in his 16th year during the 2nd year of the 202 Olympiad. That works out to 29/30 AD. So we know the ministry of Christ was 3 1/2 years so that would put the Crucifixion at 32 AD.
 
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I'm not sure what your referring to.

The Torah. The Pesach is to be slaughtered on the 14th, and eaten on the 15th. It is not to be eaten with artos. Matzah is to be eaten for seven days.


(CLV) Ex 12:15
Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread. Yea, on the first day you shall eradicate yeast from your houses; for anyone eating what is leavened, from the first day unto the seventh day, that soul will be cut off from Israel.

Seven days.

(CLV) Ex 12:16
On the first day you shall come to have a holy meeting, also on the seventh day a holy meeting. Not work at all shall be done ion them; only what is eaten by every soul, that alone may be prepared by you.

Seven days.

(CLV) Ex 12:17
You will observe the instruction, for on this very day I will bring forth your hosts from the land of Egypt. And you will observe this day throughout your generations as an eonian statute.

This means forever.

(CLV) Ex 12:18
In the first month ion the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until day twenty-one of the month, in the evening.

The evening of the 14th day begins the 15th day

Let's count the days.

15th = 1
16th = 2
17th = 3
18th = 4
19th = 5
20th = 6
21st = 7

Seven days.

The evening of the 21st begins the 22nd.

(CLV) Ex 12:19
For seven days yeast shall not be found in your houses, for anyone eating leavened bread, that soul will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, both among the sojourners and among the natives of the land.


Seven days
 
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That is right. They sacrificed the lambs on the 14th. They roasted the lamb and prepared the meal and on the 14th. The 15th began at sunset. Then they sat down to eat the meal and remembered the story of Exodus.
I heard a Passover sermon given by a Messianic Christian pastor in Israel. He said they ate it in haste. If you are ever fleeing persecution, you must go quickly.
Exodus 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
 
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FESTIVALS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

The Sabbath, as marking the end of the week, reveals its lunar origin; the phases of the moon having taught the shepherds, whose weal or wo depended so largely upon the benevolence or malevolence of the night season, to divide the period elapsing between two new moons into four equal groups (weeks), the last day of each—in imitation of the moon's coming to rest, as it were—becoming the day of rest. Indications are not wanting that at first the New Moon festival was not counted among the seven days of the week (see Week); but after 7✗4 (=28) days had elapsed, one or two days were intercalated as New Moon days, whereupon a new cycle of four weeks began, so that the Sabbath was a movable festival. Later the week and the Sabbath became fixed; and this gradually resulted in taking away from the New Moon festival its popular importance.
 
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The Torah. The Pesach is to be slaughtered on the 14th, and eaten on the 15th. It is not to be eaten with artos. Matzah is to be eaten for seven days.


(CLV) Ex 12:15
Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread. Yea, on the first day you shall eradicate yeast from your houses; for anyone eating what is leavened, from the first day unto the seventh day, that soul will be cut off from Israel.

Seven days.

(CLV) Ex 12:16
On the first day you shall come to have a holy meeting, also on the seventh day a holy meeting. Not work at all shall be done ion them; only what is eaten by every soul, that alone may be prepared by you.

Seven days.

(CLV) Ex 12:17
You will observe the instruction, for on this very day I will bring forth your hosts from the land of Egypt. And you will observe this day throughout your generations as an eonian statute.

This means forever.

(CLV) Ex 12:18
In the first month ion the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until day twenty-one of the month, in the evening.

The evening of the 14th day begins the 15th day

Let's count the days.

15th = 1
16th = 2
17th = 3
18th = 4
19th = 5
20th = 6
21st = 7

Seven days.

The evening of the 21st begins the 22nd.

(CLV) Ex 12:19
For seven days yeast shall not be found in your houses, for anyone eating leavened bread, that soul will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, both among the sojourners and among the natives of the land.


Seven days

This is incorrect, the evening is part of the DAY - each day listed in Creation week attest to this. There was evening and morning the first day.. etc.. So Evening is the end of a day.

Additionally, the New Covenant (which Jesus was practicing with the Disciples) is a Spiritual one and not bound by days of the week or earthly rituals, therefore the Last Supper was an instruction of the significance of Exodus period.
 
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This is incorrect, the evening is part of the DAY - each day listed in Creation week attest to this. There was evening and morning the first day.. etc.. So Evening is the end of a day.

Did you notice that in your own posted reference that evening precedes morning in a day?

Additionally, the New Covenant (which Jesus was practicing with the Disciples) is a Spiritual one and not bound by days of the week or earthly rituals, therefore the Last Supper was an instruction of the significance of Exodus period.

What does forever mean?

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

Heaven is still here. Earth is still here.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

So exactly when was the Torah annulled?
 
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Did you notice that in your own posted reference that evening precedes morning in a day?



What does forever mean?

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

Heaven is still here. Earth is still here.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

So exactly when was the Torah annulled?

Ok, so let me get this correct, you believe that a DAY must start with evening because the word EVENING comes before MORNING in creation week? You did notice that it says that EVENING and MORNING were the first day and second etc..? What did God call the LIGHT? - He called it DAY. So if evening came first, that means the following

DAY/ILLUMINATION/EVENING precedes NIGHT which precedes MORNING/ILLUMINATION which precedes DAY/ILLUMINATION

That would give you to separate entities of ILLUMINATION separated by NIGHT. You see the problem? But let's clarify this for you. When were the Daily Sacrifices killed - In the morning and evening, correct?

Exo 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.
Exo 29:39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:
Exo 29:40 And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering.
Exo 29:41 And the other lamb thou shalt offer at even, and shalt do thereto according to the meat offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Notice it says to offer the meat offering of the evening sacrifice ACCORDING to the meat offering of the morning. HOW CAN THAT BE? If you believe the EVENING starts the day? This is the DAILY sacrifices were are talking about here. This destroys the idea that EVENING starts a day.

For that are of the LAW, will be judged by the LAW, so yes if you don't want to except Christ and the New Covenant, then every jot and tittle will not pass and those under the LAW will be judged by it.
 
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Here is more from Philo regarding the Sabbath and the Lunar relationship:

THE DECALOGUE XXX (161)

Philo: The Decalogue

But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced. And seven days have very appropriately been appointed to the seventh month of each equinox, so that each month might receive an especial honour of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and cheering the mind with its holiday.

We can see in the excerpt above that Philo is telling us that the Sabbath DAY (7th day of the week) is assigned to the Feast of Unleavened Bread and to the Feast of Tabernacles.

People need to wake up and get back to understanding the TRUTH.
 
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