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Featured Was Jesus the only person who never sinned?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by CharismaticLady, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I know that Jesus was tempted in every way, yet did not sin. From conception He had the seed of the Father. Thus He was born of God.

    1 John 3:9
    9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

    This means those that receive the baptism of the Spirit have the "seed of God" in them. But there are two others I'm curious about.

    What about John the Baptist. He received the Holy Spirit while in Elizabeth's womb.

    And what about Enoch who walked with God, and He took him.

    Were John the Baptist and Enoch considered sinners by God, and did they ever sin while on earth?
     
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  3. Stranger36147

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    Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


    You can exclude Jesus, but certainly no one else.
     
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  4. BCsenior

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    What do you mean by "the baptism of the Spirit"?
     
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    “Knew no sin”. Jesus was tempted, but sin never gained an entrance. In the desert, tempted by Satan, Jesus took the serpent’s “Yea, hath God said?” and forever countered it with, “It is written”.
     
  6. CharismaticLady

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    Acts 1:4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
     
  7. CharismaticLady

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    Yes, Jesus did not sin. What I'm asking is about the other two guys.
     
  8. BCsenior

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    So, you believe that the only people who have been born of God
    are believers who have been "baptized with the Holy Spirit" (referenced in
    Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33, Acts 1:4-8, Acts 11:15-17)
    ... with the confirming evidence of speaking some words in tongues?
     
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    No arrows. :)

    I understand Catholic doctrine on this, but I have problems with it because Mary was conceived of Adam's corrupt seed. I believe that she was highly favored among women and given a place of honor as the mother of Jesus, but I do believe that she was conceived and born with original sin.

    Mary didn't have to be sinless in order for Jesus to be sinless because sin comes through Adam. But Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

    To answer the OP, I agree with those who quoted Romans 3:23, that ALL have sinned... (except Jesus, of course).
     
  11. Phil W

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    I think we can toss Abel and Elijah in the mix here too.
    Abel and Enoch were pre-Mosaic Law, so "for where no law is, there is no transgression." (Rom 4:15)
    Elijah...Didn't die, but was taken away ala Enoch.
    And as you pointed out, John had the Spirit of God from the womb.
    I don't think any of the four committed sin.

    Paul's Romans 3 writings of "all have committed sin" and "no not one" were quotes of OT writers designed to show the Jews of his day that they too needed the Savior.
    Most of the quotes from Rom. 3 are David's description of those who persecuted him in his flight from Saul, and, arguably, not intended for any one else, past or future. IMHO

    Generally speaking, all men sin until they are converted, but God can still do as He pleases to get things done to satisfy prophesy or some other preordained future.
     
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  12. thecolorsblend

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    Church dogma says Our Lord and Our Lady were both sinless.

    I will not speculate about anybody else.
     
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  13. CharismaticLady

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    Romans 8:9
    9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
     
  14. CharismaticLady

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    Those killed in the flood were before the law too, yet God killed them all because of their wickedness.
     
  15. BCsenior

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    OK, you're not willing to admit that you believe
    the only people who have been born of God are
    BACs who have been "baptized with the Holy Spirit".
    Sad.
     
  16. CharismaticLady

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    You use Pentecostal jargon; I use Scripture.

    There ARE two experiences with the Spirit. Acts 2, and Acts 4. First is for individual power over sin, and the armor of God. These have been born again of God. The second is for boldness and additional gifts for ministry.
     
  17. BNR32FAN

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    That’s an interesting question. I agree with those who posted Romans 3:23 but it is still something to think about.
     
  18. CharismaticLady

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    Do you also realize that many Christians use Romans 3:23; Romans 7:14-23; and 1 John 8:1 to justify a Christian sinning?

    The truth is there is a before and after Christ.
     
  19. Mountainmanbob

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    They probably came closer to no sin than most.
    But, we are not playing horseshoes down here.
    Close don't count.
    Perfection is required.
    Only in Christ.

    M-Bob
     
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  20. CharismaticLady

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    Please interpret 1 John 3:9. If someone doesn't practice murder, do they even commit it once?
     
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