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Was Jesus married?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Ave Maria, Feb 10, 2006.

  1. Yes, Jesus was married.

  2. Yes, Jesus was probably married.

  3. No, Jesus was not married.

  4. Nobody knows whether Jesus was married or not.

  5. I don't know or am undecided.

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  1. suzie

    suzie Senior Member

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    I dont think it is a very hard decision. I think if you read the Scriptures and believe on them, it would be very difficult to think Jesus would have married or was married.
     
  2. Soul Searcher

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    I have to go with I do not know but I certianly think it is possible and even likely.

    Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    Can a man who has never been married be tempted in all the ways as one who has? Can a man who has never lost his wife feel the infirmities of one who has?

    The gospel of the Nazerines actually states that he was in fact married before his ministry and that his wife had died.

    13.When He was eighteen years old, Yeshua was married to Miriam, a virgin of the tribe of Judah with whom He lived seven years. She died. God took Miriam that Yeshua might go on to do higher things, and to suffer for the sons and daughters of men.

    14.Yeshua, after he had finished his study of the law, went down again into Egypt that He might learn the wisdom of the Egyptians, even as Moses did. And going into the desert, he meditated and fasted and prayed, and obtained the power of the Holy Name, by which he brought about many miracles.

    15.For seven years he conversed with God face to face, and he learned the language of birds and the beasts, and the healing powers of trees, and of herbs, and of flowers, and the hidden secrets of precious stones, and he learned the motions of the Sun and the Moon and the stars and the powers of the letters, and mysteries of the square and the circle and the transmutation of things, and of forms, and of numbers, and of signs. From there he returned to Nazareth to visit His parents, and He taught there and in Jerusalem as an accepted Rabbi, even in the temple, none hindering Him.
     
  3. Abiel

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    Maybe he was a widow.
     
  4. dlamberth

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    Maybe yes...Maybe no...No one knows.

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  5. suzie

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    No early Christian text we possess, either biblical or extrabiblical, indicates the presence of a wife during Jesus' ministry, His crucifixion, or after His resurrection. Whenever texts mention Jesus’ family, they refer to His mother, brothers and sisters but never to a wife.

    It is therefore very unlikely that Jesus was ever married. Your arguments are weak
     
  6. Abiel

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    Perhaps we are discussing not arguing :)
     
  7. suzie

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    I will then rephrase if you dont understand what I was saying.....your position on your discussion regarding Jesus being married as likely is weak.....
     
  8. The Bellman

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    And I could as easilyi say that your position on the issue is weak.

    What does that accomplish? Both sides have brought up valid points. The issue remains uncertain.
     
  9. suzie

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    Of course you can say that if you wish. You can say whatever you want.....

    However, it isnt "likely" that Jesus was married as the post stated. There is no indication that he was throughout the Gospels which are the most reliable writings of His life-- nor in the noncaniconical gospels is it written.

    The fact that Jesus was Son of God, came to earth for a specific reason to make the church His bride would give credibility to the reasoning that Jesus would have maintained his singleness throughout his life and ministry.
     
  10. Soul Searcher

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    See my earlier post it is written in the Essene gospel that he was married and his wife had died before he began his ministry.
     
  11. suzie

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    This essene gospel that you speak of. Is this written by Rev Ouseley? It is also called the Nazarene Gospel and the Gospel of the Hebrews.....

    It was written by him through visions and dreams of the night.....I am not sure this is what I would use as a reliable source.
     
  12. jojored

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    I believe that he may have been married....it you go to the "First miracle"...changing the water to wine He was sitting at the head of the table and when the wine ran out his mother Mary came to him to address the issue.

    It would have been proper that during that time (as it is now), that it would have been the groom's responsibility that his guest be taken care of. A "guest" would not have been asked to provide such a task.
     
  13. Soul Searcher

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    What makes you think that it was written by him in visions and dreams of the night. What I have read on the subject states that it was an Aremaic text that was discovered in a temple in Tibet in the late 1800s and that Rev Ouseley translated and edited it, then published it.

    I find it interesting that when the dead sea scrolls where found [years later] there were bits and pieces which to the best of my knowledge were previously unknown that line up pretty much word for word with those parts of this gospel.

    That however is not the point you said that none of the non-canonical gospels mention that he was married and this one does. You are free to agrue that it is not really a gospel but that is the title that it bears and it does line up with the NT in many ways.

    I would be interested in your source that says he wrote this from dreams and visions rather than from a transcription of the original. Care to post the source?
     
  14. suzie

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    Thats pretty interesting since none of the Scrolls refer to Jesus or His ministry, nor do they mention any of His follower's described in the NT.

    I will have to look up the reference to this reverend. However, I will again assert that this is not a reliable source.

    jojo==you are trying to say that this was Jesus' wedding?

    First of all, my bible does not indicate that Jesus was seated at the head of the table, next it states that Jesus and his disciples had been invited to the wedding....it really doesnt give any indication that this was His wedding.....
     
  15. Soul Searcher

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    It could be that I am mistaking the Nag Hami scrolls, The Gospel of Thomas is one as is the infancy Gospel of James and some others as well if I remember correctly. Been a while since I have read on this subject though so I very well could be mistaken as to which books and/or which location but I am sure that I read about books discovered after this work was published which said some of the same things which do not appear in other works.

    Wether it is reliable or not the fact remains that it is a non-canonical gospel and it does mention Jesus being married,

    Here is a link to some info on the gospel mentioned.. you decide for yourself the accuracy of the info.

    http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_explanatory_preface.htm
     
  16. suzie

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    I know it wasnt the Dead Sea Scrolls....

    The gospels of Thomas and James do not indicate that Jesus was married and even though they are named after one of the original disciples (even Mary) they are not authored by any of them, and most authorities believe the writings were 2-3 century....
    and as far as I know about them which I am not an authority by any means, they do not indicate any marriage of Jesus.....

    I have never ever heard that there was a marriage of Jesus as you indicated that he was married before his ministry began at age 18....I dont believe there is any support for this in any of the other non-biblical gospels that you are mentioning...

    I will look for the information on the Rev. O. and get it to you as I find it.....I cant remember where I saw it but pretty sure that is what I read on him.....

    I think it was after the DiVinci Code was the big fad, that I did some reading up on this stuff.....

    Being Christian I sift all things through Scripture and if it is not in harmony with that then I dont believe it. There are always false teachings and prophets among us. That is why we have His Word.
     
  17. Utah Knight

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    on the contrary the gnostc gospel of phillip may not come right out and say it but i'll quote what it does say "but Christ loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her on the mouth oftain" here is does not come right out and say it but it does insinuate it. also i would like to point out the gospel of Mary as in the Gospel of Mary, Mary Magdalene is depicted as having special knowledge of Jesus: "Peter said to Mary, 'Sister, we know that the Saviour loved you more than the rest of women." In the Gospel of Philip, she is described this way: "There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion." The word used for companion (koinonos) also means wife. Some scholars point to these passages as possible proof of the Jesus and Mary Magdalene relationship.
    also here is some more direct evidence sorry if i repaet myself right now

    1. Hippolytus, a Christian leader from the late 2nd Century, was followed by Origen in the 3rd Century in saying that the Song of Solomon was a prophecy of a marital union between Christ and Mary Magdalene. Although they believed Mary was symbolic of the Church, nevertheless, the notion presupposed a real, albeit a spiritual (meaning non-sexual), marriage between Mary and Jesus.
    2. There are hints scattered in the Gospels of a special relationship between Jesus and Mary. If she is the same Mary of Bethany in John 11, then we can explain why Martha arose to greet Jesus and not Mary. Some scholars say she was sitting shiva according to Jewish custom. "Shiva" was when a woman was in mourning. Married women were not allowed to break-off from their mourning unless called by their husbands. In this story, Mary does not come to Jesus, until He calls her.
    ·At the Resurrection, when Mary meets Jesus in the Garden, there is a degree of intimacy (see the Aramaic here) which one would expect between lovers, not friends.
    ·The Greek word for "woman" and "wife" is the same. Translators must rely upon the context in deciding how to translate it. Sometimes, the translation is arbitrary. When Mary is referred to as a "woman" who followed Jesus, it can just as easily be translated as "wife".
    4. The story of Mary with the alabaster jar anointing the feet of Jesus is cited by some scholars as the most direct witness to their marriage. It is in all four Gospels and was a story in which Jesus gave express command that it be preserved. This ceremony was an ancient one among many royal houses in the ancient world, which sealed the marital union between the king and his priestess spouse. We find it mentioned briefly in the Song of Solomon. Although we may not understand its significance, Jesus and Mary knew exactly what they were doing. To be the valid Messiah, He had to be anointed first by the Bride. They were by-passing the corrupt Jewish establishment.
    There is more support for the marital status of Jesus. However, it involves a discussion of the Old Testament prophets which would be too tedious to undertake, here. It is important to realize, however, that belief in a married Jesus does not require any more faith than a resurrected Jesus. And if you know where to look, you can find just as much biblical evidence for both. also there is another writeing out therecalled the gospel of the essenes actually states that Jesus was married. and i'll quote

    13.When He was eighteen years old, Yeshua was married to Miriam, a virgin of the tribe of Judah with whom He lived seven years. She died. God took Miriam that Yeshua might go on to do higher things, and to suffer for the sons and daughters of men.
     
  18. suzie

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    I have read the website information that you are talking about Utah and there is refutal for that.
     
  19. Utah Knight

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    i have not heard it
     
  20. Soul Searcher

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    I did not say that either of those did say anything about him being married. What I mention was that some parts of the Essene gospel are found word for word in those Gospels as well. Not the part about Jesus being married but other parts which do not occur in other writings. If it is true that these writings were not found until several years after the Gospel was published then it adds credibilty to the claim that this is an earlier document. Nothing to do with Jesus being married or not.

    Again I did not say there was in any of the others [although that does not mean there is not] You said there was no mention of it in any noncanonical gospel I quoted from one where it not only mentions it but states it directly.

    I have read on certian [very bias imo] web sites that it is a fraud but no evidence to back it up.

    That's fine but there truly is nothing in scripture which I have saw that would make me think it was not possible for Jesus to have been married.
     
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