Posted by JS: "While you raise some good points, views and arguments, you kind of hurt your own viewpoint here because Christ/Messiah does mean Anointed One, which would infer that the One who is the Christ would be anointed by another separating the the Anointed and the Anointer making the very name Christ or Messiah a separation from God.However, this does bring up the possibility of God splitting Himself up somehow and sending a powerless part of Himself to be manifested in the flesh, but Jesus said He had all authority of the Father, if He truly did make Himself powerless this wouldn't be true. Jesus said that He could call angels to come save Him but that wasn't the will of His Father. Jesus also said a house divided will not stand. This would be confusing to people with an understanding that God divided Himself up into the HS, Jesus, and the Father."
Not exactly seeing your point here. It is clear that Christ gave up the glory of God in Phil 2. The reason: For God to be LOVE>>> He had to do what was done, and that required that He become our sacrifice. In other words, He became man/separate. This is not a part of God, but "who being in very nature God... took the nature of man". It is completely God without the glory, and completely man without the sin. That is why he had to recieve all of His power from the Father, who is God who remains/remained in glory.
If one does not take this stand then the Word of God is void. The verses explaining Christ as God, where He is called God by God and by man, and where He is given the titles Mighty God, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, and the KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS would have to mean that God did indeed give someone else the glory and titles reserved for Himself that He said He would never do in Isaiah 42:8. When Christ is worshiped it would be in violation to His own declaration to satan. Think about the first post long and hard, examine the scripture, and you will see the light. It is very bright.
1) 1 Corinthians 2:8-- None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (Isaiah 42:8--I am the LORD: that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.)
2) (John 14:5-10) Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus answered, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."
3) (John 1:1-5, 14) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
4) (Revelation 19:13) He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
5) (Phil 2:5-10) Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in APPEARANCE as a man, he HUMBLED HIMSELF and BECAME obedient to death--even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, (Reminder: God will not give His glory to another... He is the LORD and Him alone), that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
6) (Rev 19:16) On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. (Isaiah 42:8--I am the LORD: that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.)
7) (Hebrews 9:14) How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! (Hebrews 9:16-17) In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while THE ONE WHO MADE IT is living. (Did God not make the covenant? These verses are very clear as to who had to die)
8) Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, You are my Son: today I have become your Father. Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:10 He also says, In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. (Notice at the beginning of this God says TODAY
I have become your Father
indicating that He wasnt always
while Christ says many times that He is the Beginning and the End
indicating the claim I AM)
9) Revelation 22:13(Jesus speaking) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
10) Colossians 2:9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form
11) Titus 2:13While we wait for the blessed hopethe glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ
12) John 20:28Thomas said to him, My Lord and my God!
13) John 18:3-6So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, Who is it you want? Jesus of Nazareth, they replied. I am he, Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) When Jesus said, I am he, they drew back and fell to the ground.
14) Revelation 5:11-14--Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang: "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" THen I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever! The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped. ------- Matthew 4:10--Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."
15) Acts 3:15--You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. (Who is the author of life?)
16) We recieved the Spirit of God correct? (Joel 2:28) (2 Cor 1:21-22--Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a desposit, guaranteeing what is to come.) Then how is it that God's word also says that God sent the Spirit of Christ into us... unless Christ's Spirit is the Spirit of God? There are not two different Spirits within me, but one! Galatians 4:6--Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."
17) Titus 2:13--while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. (notice that it says Christ was purifying a people for his very own... "purify for himself"... sounds like this is what God was doing doesn't it... indicates, once again, that they are one in the same)
18) Jude 1:4-- "They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord." (Pretty explicit about that "only Sovereign and Lord huh.)
19) Luke 24:52-- "then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."
take care
It's time for you to hit the scriptures once again!
