Was Jesus Complaining?

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Hi :wave: and welcome :)



Yes.
He was honest; he was saying how he felt instead of fuming inside but pretending that everything was fine. The lord knows, and sees, how we feel and what we are thinking anyway; so may as well be honest.
He was saying that he didn't understand God - who does? Or why he didn't do something.
Plenty of people - Abraham, the Psalmists, Job, the disciples, etc have questionned and complained to God.



Maybe in an ideal world; but people do, and God is gracious and replies, reassures and helps us.



Not really.
It's saying that we don't like/understand what he is doing. Just because we might not like him doing something - like forgiving certain people, asking US to forgive certain people, give a financial gift, or calling us to go and work somewhere - it doesn't mean he is wrong to do it.



We can say "Lord, why did you do/say/ask that of me?" without suggesting that God doesn't know what he's doing.
Also, we need to be sure that something IS God's word, or action, and not just assume it must be because we agree with it.

David often questioned God and, in his Psalms, was completely honest - about God having forgotten him, about wanting God's enemies to die etc etc. Yet David was called "a king after God's own heart."



Exactly. It's being honest.
If God told us to walk into an enemy's city and tell them to repent (Jonah), go with the nation into exile which was the Lord's judgement on their sin, and you were training to be a priest, (Ezekiel), preach repentance to a nation that wouldn't listen, (most of the prophets re Israel), roll away the stone covering the tomb of a dead man (Mary and Martha re Lazarus) and many other things - would you immediately and joyfully accept and obey, or wonder if , and why, God would really say such a thing?
The Lord sees our thoughts and our hearts anyway; it's not right, or healthy, to suppress doubt, fear or anger and pretend we are fine with everything and fully understand God's ways.



So you think that Jesus didn't really feel abandoned by God, crushed under the weight of the sin of the world; he only said it to fulfill a prophecy?
Why would he do that?
Wouldn't saying that you felt that God had abandoned you but not meaning or believing it, be dishonest? Jesus didn't sin.



So, either it wasn't a complaint, or complaining isn't a sin.

Jesus asked in the Garden of Gethsemane, that the cup of suffering should pass from him. Yes, he said "your will be done"; but as he had already predicted his death and said that he had come to give his life as a ransom for many - he knew God's will.
So why did he ask that he might be spared it?
I believe because he was human, and it is a human thing to want to avoid pain, rejection and an agonising death. I don't think he had that experience - of being distressed and sweating blood - for the fun of it.

Thanks for your warm welcome :) . It's been interesting to read all the different opinions on here. It reminds me of how we must be careful in how we 'divide the Word' (this born of the fact that there are quite a few differing opinions on the same biblical event). Although there is much of what you have said that I can't agree with, I am grateful and appreciative for your willingness to spend time in sharing your views with me. May God continue to lead us into all truth. Blessings. :)
 
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Hi and welcome. I agree, I think Jesus was not complaining. According to the Bible, God dwells/lives in Jesus. And perhaps, when Jesus was dying, he felt God left him (even if God didn’t do that) and that is why he asked the question. He probably didn’t expect it to happen. But as we know, God didn’t reject him, but raised him from the death.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10

Thanks, 1213. :) It is always good when we as Christians can find common ground in our understanding of the scriptures, and even better when we are right. And I guess we all think we are (though, hopefully, we remain open to correction), or we would change our position (something I've had to do on several different theological positions over the years). Thanks for your input. Bless you.
 
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Scripture could have left out the Christ's protestations. They didn't include them to show He was just like you and me, had weaknesses, but to show that His suffering was real.

Can't fake the real thing.
 
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