Was Jesus a Young Earth Creationist?

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Maybe is the answer.

The historical Jesus most likely considered the armchair questions of geology to be a complete waste of his time. But assuming he did in some idle moment of reflection wonder about it, then his brain albeit ancient and likely illiterate was definitely capable of asking a straightforward question of arithmetic: “how old is the world in, ya know, actual numerical years?”

And his answer, assuming someone PowerPointed him the requisite background knowledge of chronologies in the Jewish Law and Prophets, may very well have concluded the world was only 4 or 5 thousand years old.

Plenty of early Christians did. Theophilus, Irenaeus, Barnabas, Hippolytus, Augustine and others counted the literal age of the earth, some of whom believing the world would end in its literal 6000th year, precisely because of literal counting. The inauthentic Peter riffing the psalmist proof-texted the math of God to a simple equation. A day to the Lord = a thousand years. 6 days of creation thus equals 6000 years of existence followed by a day of rest i.e., the eschaton or end of the world. Theophilus for example used a literal year counting of Genesis apologetically to mock Plato's guess of a much older earth.

Whether Jesus *would have* considered the question and the relevant texts literally vs metaphorically or typologically is anyone’s guess, but all these options were on the table. To suggest he *could not have* because he was ancient is a bridge too far and contradicted by the evidence.

This covers the "Young Earth" bit.

The "Creationist" bit is a similar story. Ancients were fully capable of wondering if "Life, the Universe, and Everything" was caused or self-existent. In principle so was Jesus.
 
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Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

Even Jesus said there are still some things (and I really suppose there were yet many things) that ONLY the Father knew ...

... so we wrestle with the idea of an earthly, yet powerful, yet still limited, Messiah-Jesus.
 
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Obviously many Christians don’t believe in sin or the need to be saved from it. Or, a lot agnostics they believe God isn’t going to get you or punish you for your sins or get away with injustice. Many Christians also don’t believe in Noah’s ark, which they don’t believe in Pangea or evolution since animals did have to adapt or chance once Pangea ( continents all together) split . They don’t believe in dna because a lot of bear and cat species had a common ancestor like man. They also don’t believe in ship building since the very same instructions used to build the ark are still use today to built ships.
 
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Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

I personally do believe in the reality of Eden, the Flood and Moses leading Israel out of Egypt and through either the Red Sea or Reed Sea, (Yom Suph in Hebrew), but.... I don't actually believe in a Young Earth.

NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

Dr. Richard Eby:
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"Jesus, tell me about this wondrous music all about me. Who is the composer? How is it made? From whence does it come? It is gorgeous!"

I was not disappointed when he began his answer by again asking me:
"Didn't you read my book? Repeatedly it exhorts my children to praise me with music from strings, trumpets, timbrels and voices. It is and was the prime communication of worship and praise and thanksgiving. Since I am the Creator, I am the composer of heaven's music which you are hearing."

Music became the resulting harmony from all of our creations, both of matter and energy. All resonated in unison with us. The elementary form was of and from and in ourselves. I might explain it as a triad of sub-electronic energy particles with and around which We constructed everything in our universe. The wave-forms we called light; whereas the material-forms we called dust of the Earth and water and air. Out of these, and into these, we created animals and birds and fishes and vegetable life to support them. Over these we created a mankind to supervise them as our appointed custodians made in our special image to act for us on Earth!"

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.
"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed "adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony "sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!" (Dr. Richard Eby, near-death.com)
 
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Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?
Even with the "fully god and fully man"-dogma, I suppose it's possible to rationalise that Jesus's world view was mostly informed by and limited to his human experience and upbringing. In short: still an illiterate peasant from an inconsequential hovel in Galilee.
Otherwise, you'd have a whole slew of follow-up questions such as:
"Why did Jesus not tell people about germs, vectors, and disinfection?"
"Why did Jesus not provide people with technology that vastly outpaced everything we've got today, solving world hunger, illness, and suffering with far more sustainability than a few magically multiplied fishes and loaves of bread, and magical healings?"
"Why did Jesus not give people insights into the natural world that were unattainable by technical means at the time, basically making sure that subsequent generations would be able to see that Jesus really was *that* special and not just a vastly exaggerated version of a poor historical preacher claiming to be the messiah?"
 
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Well here a few things you should know.

1) Kenosis (which refers to Jesus emptying himself of many his divine attributes for his time on Earth, to be "true man", tempted as we are etc.)


2) There are heresies that describe what you talk about and they are very common I think in what people often think about. "God in a man suit" is how a Christian Philosopher friend of mind used to described that notion, but Apollinarism is the proper name.

Apollinarism - Wikipedia


Ultimately, Eastern Christians like myself would view trying to fully understand this as Holy Mystery that is beyond our abilities.

Some Christians DO have that attitude, indeed. I was listen to Don Cupitt, a retired liberal CoE clergyman, critique certain Evangelical Fundamentalists in the Church of England who years ago ranted "The Ascension dethrones Man's place in the universe" (therefore making room for the Calvinist's God-Idol?), oblivious to the reality that the story of the Ascension suggests something quite to the contrary, as I'm sure you know.
 
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