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Was Jesus A Politician?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by AubreyM, Mar 28, 2021.

  1. AubreyM

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    Hello you, and welcome.

    You may see ; Damians post is around 46 or 48: With His inclusion that was met ; responded about the Lord Jesus Christ if you like to read it it.




    Have you ever considered that Christianity and it’s appeals to our flesh should dominate in Politics?

    Do you believe this would make the American Government work even better?

    What do your thoughts pertaining to Yeshua being a political leader?

    What do you believe will happen on day upon Yeshuas return, will be dominate and reign for 1000 years?

    The thing is Jesus Christ was never political, he even paid taxes to Cesar.

    Jesus Christ that his kingdom was not of this earth and that his kingdom was heavenly.

    What does this mean for you? If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ a little piece of heaven resides in you know as the kingdom of God - The Holy Spirit (spirit of truth), and the spirit of Christ reigns with-in your body.

    It has nothing to do with political agendas.

    What would you say? Is this a wrong take?

    Was Jesus Christ really involved with politics in his day?
     
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  2. Albion

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    Hi.

    Thought about it, sure.

    Definitely not.

    He absolutely was not that.

    Worldly governments will cease to exist.

    Nope.
     
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  3. ~Cassia~

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    For some reason I read Yasgurs farm lol :tutu:
     
  4. AubreyM

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    Very cool Cassia. What is Yasgurs farm?

    Thank you Albion
     
  5. ~Cassia~

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    There were no politics at the town of Bethel during the time of Woodstock
     
  6. Eftsoon

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    Jesus was not a politician, but Christianity by its very nature overturned the political order. Christians rejected the authority of Caesar; we transgressed ethnic and economical boundaries; we declared that the first would be last and the last would be first. We upended hierarchies and flipped the Roman order on its head -purely by being who we were meant to be.
     
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  7. Fervent

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    Politics, as the study of power, necessarily overlaps any sort of religious movement. Jesus wasn't a politician, but his message absolutely is political. Radically political, though it aims to change the individual and then that change lead to a change at the societal level. Christians are not called out of the world but to be light and salt, which means some will be called to governance in a system that prides itself on representation by the people. As Christians, we have a duty if we are to contribute to that system to do it unto God and that means voting for individuals who value what God values and will institute it within the government. Jesus wants all of us, our entire being, including our politics.
     
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  8. Eftsoon

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    I agree with you in principle, but in practice there are no such leaders. Not in the UK, and not in the US
     
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  9. Fervent

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    There are in the US, they're just not big ticket names and aren't seen as viable candidates. Though the national stage isn't where such voting is most effective, but on the local level which tends to have far more effect on our daily lives and would have an upward pressure as the candidates move from local to state to national stages.
     
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    Yes, I imagine there are local-level candidates who embody Christ's values. The issue is the illusion of democracy. There's a fairly hackneyed Chomsky quote:

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”

    In the UK and US, there is a very narrow field of play within which the game of politics unfolds. There may be degrees of freedom at the grassroots, but by the time you get to the seats of power, there is an understanding that the status -quo is to be maintained.

    I do agree with you though. We have to exert what influence we have on the ground. One thing to challenge is the idea that we can have freedom within a bipartisan system.
     
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  11. Not David

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    I mean, He is King.
     
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  12. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

    The election process might not have been for him?
     
  13. AubreyM

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    2BeholdHisGlory, he is being silly. @Not David, nice dog.
     
  14. ViaCrucis

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    John 18:36 - "My kingdom is not of this world."

    God's kingdom has no relationship or connection with the powers, principalities, authorities, and glories of this present age.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  15. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    When it come to Christ, it seems more of a Heavenly politic

    Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

    Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

    Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

    King of kings really

    Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

    Psalm 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

    Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him
     
  16. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    I am too actually, but I try to use scripture even when I am coming from that side of things.
     
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  17. Fervent

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    Yeah, agree absolutely as far as the idea that we live in a democratic republic is almost entirely illusory when in fact what we have is a technocratic oligarchy. Though part of that is because people settle for the lesser of two evils rather than demanding actually palatable candidates. Too often voters hold their nose and vote for the pile of poo they think stinks a little less and call it choice. And then they will passionately defend it because that's the team they're playing for, and no matter what it's the team that matters. Though part of the transformation of Christ is to not allow those types of compromises and conflicts to dictate our choices because ultimately we know that no matter how dark it may seem now, in the end Christ wins and so we can fight on without tiring though the night is long and the enemies are many.
     
  18. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    "Hold their nose and vote for the pile of poo they stinks less and call it choice" ^_^

    That was funny, "my poo don't stink"^_^ Both choices are like two horns of the same beast (not that I see any such connection) but sure seems very much like it.
     
  19. Pavel Mosko

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    Yes. Jesus not a politician, and Christianity should transcend politics, because Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world". but....... I have often argued more on the opposite end of things. Namely, while Christianity should be more about "the life to come", etc. that doesn't mean that politics is unimportant.


    1) The Bible says to "occupy till I come" Luke 19:13, That we as Christians should be witnesses, a city on a hill, salt of the earth, and light in darkness etc. And well that also means speaking up on certain issues when they go against Christian values etc.


    2) Saint Paul's life says a lot about how Christians should conduct themselves. In many ways saint Paul is a theological clarifier of various passages in the Gospels. Anyway it is noteworthy that saint Paul was not apolitical he actually valued his Roman citizenship and tried to use it to further the gospel. Incidentally, while he was a "slave for Christ", if you read the Book of Acts , you will also note that he does defend his rights, he is not willing to be a doormat etc. which is worth paying attention to (Many people will try to guilt trip Christians for standing up for themselves).


    3) "You may not be interested in the Dialectic... but the Dialectic is interested in you!" That was a famous saying said, by a famous Communist... I forget who, maybe Trotsky. But the point to it, is that even if you want to be apolitical, some political minded person is likely to stick his/her nose into your business. Today, we especially see this with the Woke movement... but it always has been true. It is really hard to be a perpetual fence sitter. I will note that some great men like Dietrich Bonhoeffer idealized a Christianity beyond politics and the affairs of this world but was forced into speaking out against it due to the rise of the Third Reich. So maybe their is a lesson to be learned from that....
     
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  20. AubreyM

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    Hello Pavel

    Why are politics important to you? What would you say would needed to be perfect ideological man to govern over the Americas (as a general reference)?

    Glad you posted always like hearing from you, and hope you and your family have been well.

    Thank you for your time and comments.
     
  21. expos4ever

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    Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" 34"Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?" 35"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

    In verse 36, Jesus seems to be saying "My kingdom has nothing to do with earthly kingdoms, so there is no 'political' dimension to my kingdom".

    As it turns out, there is a huge translation issue here. Here is the rendering of verse 36 as per the NET Bible:

    Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being 1 handed over 2 to the Jewish authorities. 3 But as it is, 4 my kingdom is not from here.

    The NET version is, my sources indicate, true to the original Greek. The greek word that is rendered “from” (above in the bolded and underlined cases) has the following definition:

    “a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote)

    When the word is used properly, we see that the “not of this world” reading is misleading. The intended meaning is that the Kingdom that has been brought to earth is from Heaven - that is, Heaven is the point of origin for the Kingdom that has been initiated.

    Jesus is a King. Jesus' kingdom, while not from this world, is rather clearly for this world.
     
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