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Featured Was It Appropriate for Thomas to Address Yeshua as "My God"?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Minister Monardo, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Minister Monardo

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    John 20:
    24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
    25 The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
    26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!”
    27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
    28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
    29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
     
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  2. PloverWing

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    According to the Nicene Creed and the Chalcedonian Definition, yes.
     
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  3. Dave L

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    “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)
     
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    Absolutely!

    Colossians 2: NASB

    8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
     
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    There are many textual variants of this verse:

    a) Jesus
    b) Lord
    c) the Lord
    d) God
    e) God Christ

    Source: Nestle-Aland 27 textual apparatus.
     
  6. Dave L

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    So?
     
  7. solid_core

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    So its not a good idea to post such verse as a proof text.
     
  8. Dave L

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    why?
     
  9. solid_core

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    Is it not obvious? Because the opponent can say that he goes with a different textual variant.
     
  10. Dave L

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    I can prove it using the LXX and KJV, This is easier.
     
  11. Gregorikos

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    24tc v. 5 The reading ᾿Ιησοῦς (Iēsous, “Jesus”) is deemed too hard by several scholars, since it involves the notion of Jesus acting in the early history of the nation Israel (the NA27 has “the Lord” instead of “Jesus”). However, not only does this reading enjoy the strongest support from a variety of early witnesses (e.g., A B 33 81 88 322 424c 665 915 1241 (1735: “the Lord Jesus”) 1739 1881 2298 2344 vg co eth Or1739mg Cyr Hier Bede), but the plethora of variants demonstrate that scribes were uncomfortable with it, for they seemed to exchange κύριος (kurios, “Lord”) or θεός (theos, “God”) for ᾿Ιησοῦς (though P72 has the intriguing reading θεὸς Χριστός [theos Christos, “God Christ”] for ᾿Ιησοῦς). As difficult as the reading ᾿Ιησοῦς is, in light of v. 4 and in light of the progress of revelation (Jude being one of the last books in the NT to be composed), it is wholly appropriate. The NA28 text now also reads Ιησοῦς. For defense of this reading, see Philipp Bartholomä, “Did Jesus Save the People out of Egypt: A Re-examination of a Textual Problem in Jude 5, ” NovT 50 (2008): 143-58.sn The construction our Master and Lord, Jesus Christ in v. 4 follows Granville Sharp’s rule (see note on Lord). The construction strongly implies the deity of Christ. This is followed by a statement that Jesus was involved in the salvation (and later judgment) of the Hebrews. He is thus to be identified with the Lord God, Yahweh. Verse 5, then, simply fleshes out what is implicit in v. 4. Jude 1:5 (NET 2nd Ed.)
     
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    I think there are much easier verses for proving the deity of Christ.
     
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    If your oponent sees the LXX and the KJV (strange combination, the KJV does not use the LXX) as authoritative.
     
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  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yes. Jesus never rebuked Him for saying such a thing.

    The Trinity:

    The Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

    Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

    Here are a couple of quick points:

    #1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
    #2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
    #3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
    #4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9-10, Daniel 7:13-14) (John 14:16)
    #5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
    #6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
    #7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalms 2:1-12) (Psalms 45:6-7) (Psalms 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).​

    The Trinity is told to us in one verse within the King James Bible (Note: This verse does not appear in many Modern Translations).

    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7) (KJV).​

    Romans 1:20 says,
    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"


    Meaning, even nature itself declares the Godhead (or the Trinity).

    Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
    Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
    Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
    Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.

    Although the word "Trinity" is not found within the Scriptures, the word "Godhead" is used instead (Acts of the Apostles 17:29) (Romans 1:20) (Colossians 2:9).

    While Jesus is 100% fully human, Jesus is also 100% fully God, and thus, He has the power of God.

    #1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
    #2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
    #3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
    #4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
    #5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
    #6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
    #7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
    #8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).​

    God purchased us with His own blood:

    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:28).

    There is no Savior beside or next to God:

    “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:11).

    “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” (Matthew 16:19).

    Holy Spirit is God:

    The Holy Spirit is called God:

    “Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).

    The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).

    The Holy Spirit is eternal:

    “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).

    The Holy Spirit is a person:

    “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).

    The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).

    The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

    “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).

    Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.

    The Father Sent The Holy Spirit

    The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Jesus said.

    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).

    The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father. Paul wrote.

    And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).

    Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
    Is the Holy Spirit a Distinct Person from God the Father?
     
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    I don't disagree with you. The textual variant is grounds for an immediate objection by an opponent. But the evidence in favor of Jesus there is actually quite strong.
     
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    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God:

    By Thomas Golda

    Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect.

    1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.

    2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.

    3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6

    4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6

    5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3

    6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3

    7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45

    8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30

    9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the Father. They are "one"
    10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6

    11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23

    12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.

    13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

    14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8

    15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God

    16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18

    17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)

    18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17

    19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3

    20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17

    21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11

    22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5

    23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14

    24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9

    25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7

    26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6

    27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16

    28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19

    29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24

    30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16

    31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9

    32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John 4:14

    33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.

    34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5 - Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
    judges no man - John 5:22.

    35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7

    36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6

    37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3

    38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.

    39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6

    40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9

    41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21

    42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23

    43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12

    44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11

    45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8

    46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God

    47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God

    48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4. - God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.

    49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 48:12. Jesus is God.

    50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30

    51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20

    52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23

    53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23

    54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17

    55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20

    56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8

    57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16

    58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28

    59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18

    60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36

    61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10

    62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1, 73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.

    63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5

    64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.

    65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.

    66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14

    67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.

    68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10

    69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35

    70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15

    71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1

    72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5

    73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14

    74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11

    75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16

    76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1

    77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15

    78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God

    79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God

    80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God

    81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with His finger - Exodus 31:18

    82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46

    83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6

    84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared the coming of Jehovah God!!!!

    85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are atoned for it. Jesus is God.

    86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3

    87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25

    88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God

    89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.

    90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is God.

    91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
    Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.

    92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18

    93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God

    94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9

    95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.

    96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ - Colossians 3:24.

    97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.

    98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.

    99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.

    100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
    salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.

    101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27

    102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16

    103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.

    104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28

    105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13

    106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28, II Thess. 3:18

    107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25

    108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8

    109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13

    110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6

    111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20

    112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21

    113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.

    114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15. Jesus is God.

    115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8

    116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9

    117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4

    118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.

    119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7

    120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.

    121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2

    122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
    God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.

    123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.

    124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5

    125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35

    126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.

    127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the Lamb who is God Almighty.

    128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17

    129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21

    130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25

    131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19

    132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36

    133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.

    134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9

    135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9

    136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19

    137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10

    138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11

    139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23

    140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.

    141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8

    142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah 35:4-5

    143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8

    144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27, Ezekiel 33:22

    145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6

    146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2

    147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8

    148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6

    149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty God who brings wrath.

    150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4

    151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God

    152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31

    153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5

    154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36

    155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.

    156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10

    157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18

    158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10

    159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13

    160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11
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  17. solid_core

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    Perhaps. But you would need to go to the deep waters of textual criticism with him and convince him that the hypothesis you prefer is correct.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Now, there are two wrong extremes people have made involving the Trinity.

    #1. Modalism
    (Which is a belief held by United Pentecostals).

    This says that there is no distinctive persons within the Godhead. That God the Father just puts on a mask and pretends to be the Son; Others believe it says all three persons are smashed together whereby the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost do not have any kind of distinctiveness anymore. But the Bible makes it clear that the Father sent the Son to die for our sins (And it was not the Son sending the Father) (1 John 4:14). The Bible makes it clear that one cannot be forgiven if they speak a word against the Holy Spirit but yet, this is not the case if one speaks a word against the Son, though (Matthew 12:32).

    #2. Tritheism
    (Which is a belief held by Mormons).

    This says that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct gods. This is polytheism or the worship of more than one God. But the Bible makes it clear that the Lord our God is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4).


    Then there is the correct view of the Trinity.

    The Lord our God exists as one God, but He exists as three distinct persons (i.e. The Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Ghost). All three persons co-existed as one God for all eternity. Also, in the Trinity, the Father and the Son and can dwell within one another despite their distinctiveness as persons within the Godhead, too. For Jesus said He dwells in the Father and the Father dwells in Him (John 14:10) (John 17:21).
     
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  19. Gregorikos

    Gregorikos Ordinary Mystic

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    Why doesn't he have to convince me that the hypothesis he prefers is correct?
     
  20. solid_core

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    That would be too easy for the real world.
     
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