Was Democracy really threatened on Jan 6?

[SavedByGrace3]

If you're trying to make the attack on the Capitol January 6 into a joke, it's not funny!!!

Calling it an "attack" and an "insurrection" is an extreme joke and America is a laughingstock because of it. When compared to actual riots and real insurrections... this was a mild protest.
It was NOT an insurrection.
People who say this look foolish. It is sad.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

... and always will be... what???

The many manifestations of liberalism are contributing to the demise of America. A strong 'democracy' won't help if the majority supports these manifestations.

 

[pescador]

Calling it an "attack" and an "insurrection" is an extreme joke and America is a laughingstock because of it. When compared to actual riots and real insurrections... this was a mild protest.
It was NOT an insurrection.
People who say this look foolish. It is sad.

No, people who deny the seriousness of what happened on January 6 look foolish (to be kind). It was both an attack and an insurrection. Joe Biden was fairly elected and the rioters simply couldn't handle that fact. It was a deliberate attempt to block the certification of the next President by Trump's supporters.

Why do you think that violence against police officers who were risking their lives to protect members of Congress and their staffs is a joke?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not funny! Is there something that you find humorous about the violence of January 6 and its aftermath?

If everyone is going to act like the Keystone Kops over this then it is funny. When the solution to a problem is found in the 'south' and everyone marches off to the 'north' it is very funny, albeit in a sad sort of way.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, people who deny the seriousness of what happened on January 6 look foolish (to be kind). It was both an attack and an insurrection. Joe Biden was fairly elected and the rioters simply couldn't handle that fact. It was a deliberate attempt to block the certification of the next President by Trump's supporters.

Why do you think that violence against police officers who were risking their lives to protect members of Congress and their staffs is a joke?

The reason for the 'riot' was because president-elect Biden was going undo everything that Trump had accomplished. Big mistake. If Biden had promised to continue what Trump had started there would not have been a January 6, and the country would be much better off now.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

No, people who deny the seriousness of what happened on January 6 look foolish (to be kind). It was both an attack and an insurrection. Joe Biden was fairly elected and the rioters simply couldn't handle that fact. It was a deliberate attempt to block the certification of the next President by Trump's supporters.

Why do you think that violence against police officers who were risking their lives to protect members of Congress and their staffs is a joke?

No... just the people who want to elevate this event into anything other than a protest that might have gotten out of hand.
So, if a kid goes into a bank with a pea shooter and asks for money, everyone should throw up their hands screaming and falling on the floor and convulse in hysteria. That is what the liberals look like when they try to elevate this to an "insurrection."
Democrats need crisis and chaos. They thrive on it. It is fear mongering and divisions. That is how Marxists always ascend to power. The media love it because their ratings go up. They have to keep the "orange man bad" narrative going because without it, their ratings go into the cellar.
"White supremist! systematic racism! hate! hate! hate!"
It gets kind of old when there is no actual evidence of all this nonsense.
People are getting wise to this. Look for a landslide in November. triple digit losses in the house.
They deserve it.

 

[High Fidelity]

The authorities/police stood aside, so the outcome was mainly their doing. The great majority of the people present were ushered into the building by the guards and were simply acting like tourists. No Congressperson was injured, and the business of the body was barely interrupted at all and the election results were certified within hours.

You’re right. They should have shot the criminals where they stood to nip it in the bud.

 

[pescador]

No... just the people who want to elevate this event into anything other than a protest that might have gotten out of hand.
So, if a kid goes into a bank with a pea shooter and asks for money, everyone should throw up their hands screaming and falling on the floor and convulse in hysteria. That is what the liberals look like when they try to elevate this to an "insurrection."
Democrats need crisis and chaos. They thrive on it. It is fear mongering and divisions. That is how Marxists always ascend to power. The media love it because their ratings go up. They have to keep the "orange man bad" narrative going because without it, their ratings go into the cellar.
"White supremist! systematic racism! hate! hate! hate!"
It gets kind of old when there is no actual evidence of all this nonsense.
People are getting wise to this. Look for a landslide in November. triple digit losses in the house.
They deserve it.

As my granddaughter say, "whatever". I am in complete disagreement with your post, as it has nothing to do with what actually happened and its aftermath. Obviously you've bought Trump's line; I feel sorry for you.

 

[pescador]

You’re right. They should have shot the criminals where they stood to nip it in the bud.

I have thought that it might be a good idea to put a machine gun on top of the Capitol. Then perhaps the mob that tried to violently overthrow the election will "think twice" before doing it again.

 

[pdudgeon]

The trouble is it did happen. We saw it withour own eyes on television.

Your second paragraph is just supposition. The ex-President made no effort to stop the violent insurrection, and the attackers did commit murder as well as destroying property and urinating and defecating in the Capitol.

It wasn't "a couple of fools in horned helmets"; it was a very large crowd armed with various weapons such as flagpoles and bear spray to attack the Capitol, the members of Congress and their staffs, and the police.

One case of many: Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the right-wing group the Oath Keepers, was arrested by the FBI on Thursday in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack. He is facing a seditious conspiracy indictment along with 10 others.

Your saying that "it was never going to amount to more than a very localized riot, and not really even that disruptive of a riot as far as those go" is sheer speculation. It was one of the worst attacks on our government and Democracy in our entire history.

Not quite. You are forgetting the asasination of JFK in Dallas Texas.
Or the attack of 911.
Or The Alamo.
"One if by land, two if by sea..."
The bombing of Pearl Harbor.
America has been attacked several times before, and lives have been lost, and many more lives affected.
But not this time.

 

[pescador]

Not quite. You are forgetting the asasination of JFK in Dallas Texas.
Or the attack of 911.
Or The Alamo.
"One if by land, two if by sea..."
The bombing of Pearl Harbor.
America has been attacked several times before, and lives have been lost, and many more lives affected.
But not this time.

I am not forgetting any of those events. They were all horrible! Those events do not in any way minimize the attack on our government by our own people. That is a very significant difference.

You do have a point though: the January 6 attack was a severe attack on our nation, as were the events that you mentioned when our country was in serious danger. Other than Lee Harvey Oswald (who acted alone), the other events were caused by foreign countries. The attack on January 6 was done by Americans!

 

[com7fy8]

Was democracy really threatened by the January 6 riot?

I don't think so. They were threatening the process, of course. But what they were possibly going to do would not have overthrown the United States and three hundred and thirty or so millions of Americans.

Even if they had conquered the Capitol and hanged all the Democrats and burned all election results and their backups . . . ones might say they did that, but ones would be saying that what they did could not count since it was illegal.

And a lot of them would go to prison for murder. They would be surrounded until they were talked out or raided and taken out.

Then it is likely there would be a temporary Republican government while the Democrats found new leaders. But then the Republicans could have very reduced credibility, since they did not effectively stop the attack while Donald Trump was still President. The Republicans in power left it up to police who clearly needed more power, and did not effectively bring in support, immediately . . . as soon as it was obvious the raiders were using force to injure police and damage property in order to get into the building where they did not have legal permission to go.

Even so, it appears the Capitol police did take care of it.

But, also, ones in the group did not stop the ones who were hurting and killing people and damaging federal property. They could have helped the police.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I have thought that it might be a good idea to put a machine gun on top of the Capitol. Then perhaps the mob that tried to violently overthrow the election will "think twice" before doing it again.

Don't forget the hammer and sickle above it when you do.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I understand what people are saying about Jan 6. Yes, it was bad, and yes people misbehaved. But a few hundred flag wavers and a handful of vandals do not an insurrection make. I just think democrats, in their democrat way, are trying once again to make something of nothing. I think many people do not really know what an insurrection is. What you saw on Jan 6 was not an insurrection.

 

[Kettriken]

No Congressperson was injured, and the business of the body was barely interrupted at all and the election results were certified within hours.

Evacuating congress during what is supposed to be a peaceful transfer of power because of armed rioters scarcely counts as "barely interrupted."

I understand what people are saying about Jan 6. Yes, it was bad, and yes people misbehaved. But a few hundred flag wavers and a handful of vandals do not an insurrection make. I just think democrats, in their democrat way, are trying once again to make something of nothing. I think many people do not really know what an insurrection is. What you saw on Jan 6 was not an insurrection.

Your argument might be sympathetic if this was an isolated incident. As the culmination of an unprecedented legal and propaganda campaign against legitimate election results, it tips into more sinister territory. Try to think of all the context of the months surrounding the election and flip it to the other foot. How would you view the situation?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Evacuating congress during what is supposed to be a peaceful transfer of power because of armed rioters scarcely counts as "barely interrupted."



Your argument might be sympathetic if this was an isolated incident. As the culmination of an unprecedented legal and propaganda campaign against legitimate election results, it tips into more sinister territory. Try to think of all the context of the months surrounding the election and flip it to the other foot. How would you view the situation?

If it were some grand conspiracy truly intent on overthrowing the government, then these intelligent people did a horrible job planning and carrying it out. There was no plan. It was a protest that spontaneously erupted into a poorly crafted, almost humorous riot. There is a movie in this. "The Three Stooges Stage a Revolution." Maybe it was the other way around:

 

[Kettriken]

If it were some grand conspiracy truly intent on overthrowing the government, then these intelligent people did a horrible job planning and carrying it out. There was no plan. It was a protest that spontaneously erupted into a poorly crafted, almost humorous riot.

You'll note that I referenced the months of legal shenanigans leading up to the riot as evidence. You can ignore that context, but it is important if we want to have a real conversation about the state of our democracy.

 

[disciple Clint]

What say you?

Not at all, there was a demonstration, a riot even if you will, that is all.

 

[Kettriken]

Not at all, there was a demonstration, a riot even if you will, that is all.

It's not a riot, if you will. It was a riot. Think truthfully, with objectivity.

 

[Albion]

Evacuating congress during what is supposed to be a peaceful transfer of power because of armed rioters scarcely counts as "barely interrupted."

Yes it does. The issue is the extent of the interruption, not how many demonstrators there were or anything else of that sort.

Your argument might be sympathetic if this was an isolated incident. As the culmination of an unprecedented legal and propaganda campaign against legitimate election results, it tips into more sinister territory.

Again, you've made one item into a different one. An insurrection is one thing. It either was one or it wasn't an insurrection. Dressing up your idea with an assortment of other news items, as you did, doesn't make January 6 be either an insurrection or something other than an insurrection.