I think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
Wow! I just posted a thread that addressed this very issue!I think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
I don't know about humanity in general, but the saintsI think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
If you have truly been anointed.I think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
Hello @Xeno.of.athens, that seems like a bit of an odd thing for a Christian to say .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 11:1; Hebrews 6:12, 13:7, 17, particularly so since you are Roman CatholicWe, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
Depends on who they are leading.I think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
I just have to correct this "particularly so since you areHello @Xeno.of.athens, that seems like a bit of an odd thing for a Christian to say .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 11:1; Hebrews 6:12, 13:7, 17, particularly so since you are Roman Catholic
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your meaning here however? Could you elaborate a bit, perhaps also giving us an example or two (of the leadership of your church having no special insight/being unable to provide any help for you, and other Catholics, in being able to discern between what is, and what is not, the right thing to do)?
Thanks
God bless you!!
--David
Hebrews 13
7 Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.
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I don't know about humanity in general, but the saints
better open their eyes to see the things that are dubious.
such as teaching that a 'true' day of worship will somehow contribute to one's salvation. But even worse than depending on a day is to do so on the say so of another who is not nor ever was God.Such as a false day of worship
Or such as creating a new tradition of man within Christianity that tries to revert us back to the letter of the Law when Jesus gave us new traditions/oral teachings. The Sabbath obligation is still observed, but on the Lord's Day, the day of His resurrection. And the other nine, which involve direct moral activities, are still observed and considered obligatory "as is" in God's Church since the beginning while other, later Church's, based on Scripture alone, often deny that obligation altogether.such as teaching that a 'true' day of worship will somehow contribute to one's salvation. But even worse than depending on a day is to do so on the say so of another who is not nor ever was God.
There are many ways that we can follow man rather than God. In religious matters there are false prophets/prophetesses. And there are popular trends and fashions everywhere in the world, not always healthy, including in churches. Pride, mainly, keeps us focused on ourselves and in fear of what others think and the selfishness it generates does all kinds of harm in our world. We can be pulled away from God by our own lusts (James 1:14). I've always appreciated the following verse that applies in general:I just have to correct this "particularly so since you areRomanCatholic "
I was thinking mainly about political leaders and current world events when I wrote the original post but in retrospect it also applies to religious matters and church leaders but in a specific way. The specific way is this.
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders' directions on physical conflict because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is morally right.
such as teaching that a 'true' day of worship will somehow contribute to one's salvation. But even worse than depending on a day is to do so on the say so of another who is not nor ever was God.
I think that
We, meaning humanity, must stop following leaders because the leaders have no special insight into doing what is right.
Not sure how any of that would apply to the sabbath anyway, but, first of all, an indulgence is not associated with salvation, but simply with the consequences of sin in this life. OTOH, Catholicism teaches that a person cannot possibly justify themselves by works of the law; only God can justify us via faith in response to His grace, and yet, once justified, now new creations equipped with His justice/righteousness, we're responsible to walk in it by remaining in Him and doing His will with the help of grace, working out our salvation together with He who works in us. So verses such as Rom 2:7, Rom 2:13, and 8:12-13 make perfect sense in Catholicism:but yet .... ?
In the teaching of the Catholic Church, an indulgence (Latin: indulgentia, from indulgeo, 'permit') is "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for sins".[1] The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes an indulgence as "a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and all of the saints".[2]
The recipient of an indulgence must perform an action to receive it. This is most often the saying (once, or many times) of a specified prayer, but may also include the visiting of a particular place, or the performance of specific good works.[3]
Not sure how any of that would apply to the sabbath anyway, but, first of all, an indulgence is not associated with salvation, but simply with the consequences of sin in this life. OTOH, Catholicism teaches that a person cannot possibly justify themselves by works of the law; only God can justify us via faith in response to His grace, and yet, once justified, now new creations equipped with His justice/righteousness, we're responsible to walk in it by remaining in Him and doing His will with the help of grace, working out our salvation together with He who works in us. So verses such as Rom 2:7, Rom 2:13, and 8:12-13 make perfect sense in Catholicism:
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life."
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."
"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."
Indulgences were never initially about $$$ but, often though not exclusively, about almsgiving, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked as one means of realizing remission of certain practical or temporal consequences of sin (but any act of mercy or charity as well as prayer can be effective for these purposes). Some, of less than noble and Christ-like character, gradually managed to find a way to exploit the long-held teaching, compromising and corrupting the original concept in the process, as humans are wont to do.Makes no sense one can pay $$$ to lesson their consequences of sin.
Temporal means what?"a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and all of the saints".
such as teaching that a 'true' day of worship will somehow contribute to one's salvation. But even worse than depending on a day is to do so on the say so of another who is not nor ever was God.
and then performed the meritorious act mentioned on the certificate (indulgence).