TheyCallMeDave
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Well this time we will have to wait till you are back to continue and I honestly do hope your experience is truly from God.
The reason I don't interpret the quote as giving yourself completely to what God has in store for you while on the Emmaus Walk is simply because that is not what it says. It says to give yourself completely to the Emmaus Walk. Period. It is only a logical interpretation if you don't question the motives behind it. I do question the motives behind it and just because it is "mainstream" Christian event does not mean I trust it. Some cults originated in mainstream churches.
If you read all the by-laws and principles and rules and covenants and agreements laid out by Emmaus, you will see that it is a very carefully structured program. Do you really think that they would leave something like that quote which says something very definite if it wasn't what they meant?
Emmaus do not want you questioning anything that goes on as they say it is not for theological debate and you are expected to be involved in all of the 72 hours as, again according to the "What is Emmaus?" booklet, you are "indispensable" to the program and your table group.
My "axe" that I am grinding is simply the hurt and division that Emmaus has caused in churches which you can see on the various forums. Added to that is the fact that Emmaus is promoted aggressively in churches and some of those commenting on forums have felt pressured to go even when they have refused.
The booklet backs this up as the Emmaus Community want the program pushed in churches.
When I first heard of this program, I wanted to know what it was about but could find little information anywhere. That is when I ran into the secrecy and that is what drove me to investigate further. Simply put, I will not get involved in any weekend that requires such secrecy. And that's when I started reading the Upper Room's own material and with every page read, it got worse!
So I await your return and maybe we will still be at odds. I will have some challenging questions for you. But a great emotional experience won't help any because there are many with bad emotional experiences at Emmaus as well. And that is why I concentrate on the "why" instead of the experience.
Very sadly, i had to leave the Emmaus get together after a few hours last night due to something i ate earlier at dinnertime on the way up to Emmaus which caused me diahrea , sweats, and a headache. Fortunately, I lived only 45 min. away. But they are going to give me a raincheck to go on the next scheduled Emmaus Walk in a few months time.
However, based on what i did experience for the first few hours, I did not see anything that caused concern or be anti-biblical or dishonoring to God in the least.
To your point of 'giving yourself to the Emmaus Walk' ; they did verbalize this last night to the entire group along with the statement of getting all you can out of the spiritual experience God has for you . The very purpose of Emmaus is to bring you closer to God in relationship with the added benefit of drawing closer to the Bretherun in attendence , so again... i fail to see the validity of your assertions.
As far as secrecy is concerned ; dont Christians who are are evangelizing another to be saved apply some level of secrecy by reserving to tell the Person that the Christian Walk is going to be made up of carrying Ones cross thru daily spiritual battles , that there will be times of disappointments and personal struggles, and possible abandonment of vital family relationships instituted by Another ? Dont Christians exhibit secrecy in this regard ? Is it correct to term this sort of secrecy being disengenuous or having cultic overtones to it ?
Questions for You :
a. Can you give specific examples of how churches have been harmed by Emmaus including actual links to people claiming such ...who have, themselves, been on the Emmaus Walk ?
b. Have you personally been on the Emmaus Walk ? Did you have a distinctive bad experience during this walk with another(s) ? Was there any form of betrayal involved in your bad experience(s) ?
c. If you have been on an Emmaus Walk, how would you change certain things about the Walk to be more biblically acceptable in your view ?
TY. Dave
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