Wal-Mart should run our country

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I don't follow, I'm suggesting we ignore both statements "from each according to his ability" and "to each according to his need"

I was being sarcastic when I said "to each according to his need" in my prior post.

So please explain to me how pricing would work under a system like this?

I'm not going to overanalyze your analogy. My point relates to what you wrote below:

This goes on until eventually the government has the money...which is the end result of socialism...transfer of true wealth from the individual to the collective (government)

The 6 heirs of Wal-Mart hold more wealth than the bottom 42% of Americans combined. The rest of us are getting very tired of them and other like them screaming about socialism and how the government is going to collect all the wealth. They sit atop more wealth than any human in history could fathom, and tell us the government wants to rob us?

I'm not asking you to clarify how a "fair" system should work with taxes and distribution, I'm asking why you think any of the workers should give a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if the Wal-Mart heirs don't like it.
 
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I'm not going to overanalyze your analogy. My point relates to what you wrote below:

The 6 heirs of Wal-Mart hold more wealth than the bottom 42% of Americans combined. The rest of us are getting very tired of them and other like them screaming about socialism and how the government is going to collect all the wealth. They sit atop more wealth than any human in history could fathom, and tell us the government wants to rob us?

I'm not asking you to clarify how a "fair" system should work with taxes and distribution, I'm asking why you think any of the workers should give a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if the Wal-Mart heirs don't like it.

Not to mention that Wal~Mart uses government services to allow them to pay their workers less.

Wal-Mart Subsidy Watch - brought to you by Good Jobs First
 
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I'm not going to overanalyze your analogy. My point relates to what you wrote below:

The 6 heirs of Wal-Mart hold more wealth than the bottom 42% of Americans combined. The rest of us are getting very tired of them and other like them screaming about socialism and how the government is going to collect all the wealth. They sit atop more wealth than any human in history could fathom, and tell us the government wants to rob us?

I'm not asking you to clarify how a "fair" system should work with taxes and distribution, I'm asking why you think any of the workers should give a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if the Wal-Mart heirs don't like it.

The workers don't have to care about what their bosses think if they don't want to. Nobody is making them work there.
 
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Do tell. I want to know.

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They have all the labor practices that Wal Mart has, except they haven't, for some reason, attracted as much attention. Wal Mart seems to be the lightning rod that diverts attention away from everyone else, possibly because it's larger, and has a slightly more upscale image.

The wages are notoriously low, the same exact highly irregular hours scheduled as Wal Mart has, which makes it almost impossible to get a 2nd job, stressful speed score requirements, maximizing part-time employees to the very brink of full-time hours, poor benefits, etc.

Also, just as an aside, I found it funny how there was such a ruckus over Wal Mart locking their overnight employees in, when the same exact thing happened at Target every night. After the store closed, we daytime employees had to tidy up the shelves, put everything back in its correct place, etc. During that time, you'd better bet the doors were locked, and that no one was allowed to exit. Everyone had to leave at the same time, and be let out by a security guard, who had the keys.

I remember one time, when I was tidying up shelves, everyone was in such a rush, that they forgot I was with them (or didn't notice, since there were so many employees). I don't know how long they were gone before I noticed. It only hit me when I started seeing the overnight employees stocking in the area where I was. I had to wander the front of the store for a while to hunt the security guard down to let me out. He was pretty irritated with me, and a bit suspicious that my story of being left behind wasn't actually true.

I've worked tougher jobs, though. Target doesn't really compare to the labor practices I've experienced while working a temp job for Integrity Staffing at the Amazon warehouse, for example. The pay is better at Integrity than it is at Target, though.

BTW, I still shop at Target and Amazon, and I would work there again if I had to. A job's a job.
 
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The workers don't have to care about what their bosses think if they don't want to. Nobody is making them work there.

I think you forget that the real unemployment rate is estimated at 19%. There are people working at Walmart that did plan to have better jobs and are trained to do much better jobs. Just in the current economy, they'd rather make a some money than no money at all.
 
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How is that the republican policy?

Can you provide any sources that state that Republicans intend on raising taxes for the poor & middle class? (that aren't from Obama campaign slam ads) Keep in mind, lowering taxes for the wealthy doesn't automatically mean increased taxes for everyone else.

It's unclear what exactly Romney wants to do, but his budget suggests increasing the burden on the lower classes. It's simple math.

With the right spending cuts, we could all get a tax cut and have a better budget than what we have now.

The tax cut = revenue increase is a myth.

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The tax cut = revenue increase is a myth.

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That's why I said "with the right spending cuts"...no budget will work if your expeditures exceed your income...Obama and Bush have proven that already.
 
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That's why I said "with the right spending cuts"...no budget will work if your expeditures exceed your income...Obama and Bush have proven that already.

What reason do you have to believe this? If it hasn't worked for the 50 years we've been trying it, why not write you off as "the definition of insanity?"
 
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What reason do you have to believe this? If it hasn't worked for the 50 years we've been trying it, why not write you off as "the definition of insanity?"

Which part of my post were you referring to? The part about a budget not working if you spend more than you make is a pretty simple one to follow

What reason I have to believe this?

Math I learned in the 1st grade.
2.3 Trillion - 3.4 Trillion = -$1.1 Trillion

If the income is 2.3 Trillion and you don't want a deficit, you have to spend less than 2.3 Trillion.

Which 50 year block have we been spending less than our revenue in?
Last I checked, it's only happened for short intervals of 1 or 2 years at a time.

We haven't had a president who's colored in the lines in terms of budgeting & debt since Andrew Jackson.
 
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Which part of my post were you referring to? The part about a budget not working if you spend more than you make is a pretty simple one to follow

What reason I have to believe this?

Math I learned in the 1st grade.
2.3 Trillion - 3.4 Trillion = -$1.1 Trillion

If the income is 2.3 Trillion and you don't want a deficit, you have to spend less than 2.3 Trillion.

Which 50 year block have we been spending less than our revenue in?
Last I checked, it's only happened for short intervals of 1 or 2 years at a time.

We haven't had a president who's colored in the lines in terms of budgeting & debt since Andrew Jackson.

The part where you think it's just so easy and of course they've just not been doing it for X reason. It's substantially more complex than that, and dogmatically holding to tax cuts makes you seem foolish.
 
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You quoted it, but I guess you missed the bit about forcing employees to work off the clock, discrimination against women, and driving American jobs overseas.
Don't they pay people in different countries 9 cents an hour. I remember reading about that, because the workers had to live in tents. If true people everywhere should be boycotting them. I couldn't servive on 9 cents an hour.
 
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Actually that might be a good idea. Could we do any worse than what we have now?

and about Walmart's foreign policy? It probably would not start wars.
I'm thinking if Walmart was running this country, they would bring minimum wage down to under a dollar, so they don't have to pay their workers as much.
 
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Are you talking about part time or full time?

If you're talking full time, then that would be $6.25/hour (which we know couldn't be true since that's below minimum wage)

If you're talking part time (25-30 hours a week), then we're talking between $8.40-$10.00 which isn't bad for a high school kid or someone who's working a summer job.

If it's someone trying to rely on that as a sole source of income...they should've planned their life a little better.
The Walmarts where I live wont hire you, unless you have the college degree you took filled out.
 
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The part where you think it's just so easy and of course they've just not been doing it for X reason. It's substantially more complex than that, and dogmatically holding to tax cuts makes you seem foolish.

I'm not dogmatically holding onto anything...just simply stating that if we could eliminate bloated spending, we could all enjoy lower taxes.
 
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Ever since Andrew Jackson, eh? And yet we've survived and even thrived in that time... I guess the sky may not be falling after all.

Depends on what you define as thrived. If there's no intention of ever paying our debts back (IE what Hitler did to fix their economy which is tell every country Germany owed money to "Hey, we're not paying you back and I declare this nation debt free, you gotta problem with that?")

...but I think if we're realistic in understanding that we have a pile of debt to pay back, we'd realize that we're not thriving.

If a person's income is $40k/year and they had $250K in credit card debt, nobody would say they were "thriving" just because they bought some shiny new toys.
 
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Former Wal*Mart employee here: Walmart also stifles speech. You want to unionize? Buh bye. You're fired. You want to voice concern over safety? You're fired. You want to use open door policy? Boom, you're gonna get in trouble down the line.

I saw this happen all the time.


Or how about the Wal*Mart that fired a security guard that took down a knife wielding man? They won't let you defend yourself.


Or the Wal*Marts that take out life insurance on their employees without consent? There was that famous story of how a family went broke trying to pay for the mother/wife's hospital and eventually funeral bills. Wal*Mart came away with several hundred thousand dollars in life insurance money. The family never saw that $$.

Or the woman that fell off a ladder at walmart, not to her own fault, but because of something external that happened...Yeah, she got a settlement form walmart for 500,000 to cover her medical bills, I believe. Wal*Mart sued her for that money.

Walmart makes that money in what?? A few minutes? They are scumbags, plain and simple.

This doesn't even cover their abuses around the world, whether it is sweat shop conditions, or indiscriminately dumping toxic waste.


I don't think any of us wants to have Wal*Mart style leadership in this country.
 
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Ever worked for Wal~Mart? Try it for a year, then get back to us.
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been there done that...Wal-Mart is not the same store as it was before the old man died...

check out Dollar General, Family Dollar, & Freds. These smaller stores have better deals AND you can get in and out in 5 minutes...yes there are actually cashiers doing their jobs...
 
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Wal-Mart is doing well in part because a significant portion of their sales come from food-stamp purchases. Which is interesting, in part because their business model is part of the reason our economy is on the skids - low wage, part time, forcing US industry to relocate and strip quality (ie make inferior merchandise that must be replaced sooner) to meet the pricing demands of the strongest US retailer.


She shows that Wal-Mart’s gets as much as 25% to 40% of revenue at some stores from food stamp dollars. This says it all folks. Food stamps are of course the perfect business for Wal-Mart and JP Morgan, which as I pointed out previously makes a lot of money running the program and keeping the populace in perpetual serfdom. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mike-krieger-where-food-stamps-go-die-0

Looks like we'll know our economy is improving when WM starts tanking.
 
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