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Featured Voting in favor of your Bible POV - God's Word

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by BobRyan, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:41 PM.

  1. Ex 20:11 summarizes the lit seven day creation account in Gen 1-2 : & fits with science fact

  2. Evolution is science fact. The Bible is myth, or allegory or ... and can fit any sort of evolution

  3. Since the Bible is not reliable historic fact, we should focus on other parts of the Bible

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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Junior Member

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    Consider these 4 POV statements.

    1. The Bible is correct when it comes to its historic account (Gen 1:2-2:4) of how it is that all life on earth gets here in a literal 7 day week as we see defined in legal code - Exodus 20:11. ("Legal code" is not parable or allegory or ...)
    • It is "compatible with science fact" -- so then salt still has the same properties and hot air still rises in our atmosphere no matter that life on Earth was created in 7 days. Example: Lazarus was raised from the dead as a fact of what happened in nature - and this did not destroy science or refute science fact.
    • Moses was not a darwinist nor a teacher of darwinism in his Gen 1-2 statements see also Genesis 2:1-3.
    • Science fact reproducible in the lab is in perfect harmony with this fact of origins so then NaCL is still salt and has certain properties that remain true EVEN if one is a creationist. Just as the general ideal Gas law formula: PV = nRT holds true for creationists and non-Creationists alike.
    2. The Bible account for origins is myth or maybe allegory or something of that sort (even though it is in legal code in Ex 20:11) and therefore is compatible with any doctrine on origins including any and every form of evolution past, present or future - and of course evolution is science fact.

    3. The Bible account for origins cannot be bent at all in favor of evolution - but evolution is science fact, so the Bible is wrong. (Atheism - So not included in the list of options to vote on)

    4. The Bible account cannot be bent to fit evolution, evolution is science fact, the Bible is wrong on this point but I "feel" the Bible is ok anyway, it does not matter if it is wrong on such things.

    • Many non-Christians describe Christians this way (as option 4) .. And my guess is that some Christians might describe themselves this way.

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    Clarification on one option above in the list.

    Many creationists accept that Bible doctrine is compatible with science fact -

    For example:
    Christ raises Lazarus from the dead - but that act does not "destroy science" nor is it 'anti-science" or "opposed to science" just because Mary and Martha cannot then take some secret science knowledge and use it to raise the dead. They are free to study science and be 100% scientifically correct in their statements AND ALSO admit that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and that they can't do that.

    In the same way that you can take commercial jet across the nation - and yet admit that rocks don't turn into commercial jets ... and also admit that you do not have all the aeronautics engineering skill to make one yourself. Admitting that they "exist" is still not "anti-science". You are simply admitting someone else has that knowledge and ability ... not you, and that said jet flight "did not arise out of rocks over time" as if it is an inherent property in rocks to self-organize and provide jet flights across the nation.

    Lazarus was raised from the dead and yet salt still had the same properties that it always had before that resurrection and hot air still rises. The fact of his resurrection "is compatible" with science fact - - but it does not mean that man's level of science has the same ability to explain how God raised the dead three days later.

    We don't reject science fact as Christians just because we know that Christ raised Lazarus from the dead. We see no conflict at all there.

    My use of the term "is compatible" simply means - "does not oppose" or reject or contradict science fact. It does not mean that our level of science has fully acquired all the knowledge to do what God does in order to admit that something did happen in real life - in nature and that God did it.

    (Maybe there is an even better way to word it - I concede that as qualifier for option 1)

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    not everyone will agree with creationists on that point and everyone has free will.. and may choose as they wish.
     
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  2. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    5. The bible account is true but we don't understand it fully.
     
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  3. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    Nobody has all the facts ... and this is a fact. I choose to believe Gods Word as truth.

    truth -
    a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
     
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  4. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    5. The Bible is often misunderstood and misinterpreted. The Bible is not a history book as such.
     
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  5. Albion

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    Actually, it is--in addition to being divine revelation dealing with all sorts of spiritual matters.

    The Bible is, in fact, the only documentary evidence of the great majority of the events in the life on Earth of the most important man who ever lived among us. And although there are those items in Scripture which have been argued about for centuries, the Bible has proven to be correct on one after another of them.
     
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  6. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    The bible is basically the history of and the prophecies concerning Israel.
     
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  7. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    Its primary use is not as a history book
     
  8. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    It has historical events in it but, its primary use is not as a history book etc.
     
  9. Kenny'sID

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    The bible says what it says on creation in 7 days, believe it or not, but if you don't believe it, you don't believe the bible.

    So simple.
     
  10. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    Believe it yes. But what is the correct interpretation of the 7 day creation chapter?
     
  11. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Put on the table the exact verses you feel are misinterpreted, and lets see what they say.

    And remember, once again, the bible says what it says, and that is undeniable.
     
  12. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    Its how you interpret those scriptures that is important though.

    Not everyone agrees on what each verse means in the Bible ;)
     
  13. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Then do as I asked and I'll make my point. :)
     
  14. Gary K

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    Our choices on these questions come from our basic assumptions of/about the world/universe. We all have faith for the Bible says every man was given a measure of faith. Our basic assumptions show us how we have chosen to use that faith given to us by God. Do we use it to place implicit faith in Him, His power, His faithfulness, His creativity, His love? Or do we chose to place our faith in purely human reasoning, human ideas, and human research apart from God.

    I would say that choosing to place human reasoning above God's revelation to us reveals to us who we really are and what/who it is that we place our trust.

    The contrast is stark. Do we trust God or mankind? I'll choose to trust God every time.
     
  15. Jipsah

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    Here's another poll I suggest for you:

    1) Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes/No

    Our Lord Christ was correct when He said "Take; eat; this is my body which is given for you." and "Drink of it, all of you. This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you for the forgiveness of sins." If you don't believe Him, I don't think it matters much how long you think it took God to create the universe. If you can't accept what He said of Himself because it conflicts with your doctrine, why would you consider His words, filtered through prophets and on a subject of purely historical signifance, to be of ultimate importance? Seems to me if you can't find the Gospels credible, it matters not at all whether you believe stuff in the OT or not
     
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  16. Jipsah

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    Our Lord Christ said "Take, eat, this is my Body, which is given for you." believe it or not, but if you don't believe it, you don't believe Him. So simple.
     
  17. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

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    remember, once again, our Lord said what He said, and that is undeniable. And He said "Take, eat, this is my Body, which is given for you."
     
  18. BobRyan

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    I take it someone is not happy with the voting poll
     
  19. BobRyan

    BobRyan Junior Member

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    What does Ex 20:9 and Ex 20:11 say about that very thing when it summarizes it?
     
  20. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    How do you understand Jesus's comment, "Take, eat, this is my Body, which is given for you."?
     
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