Voting Christian immoral values.

[LittleLambofJesus]

[/quote]After five women have claimed that a candidate for the US Senate had dealings with them when they were between 14 and 18 years old (one of them was 14, two 16, one 17, and one 18) and two say they were molested by the candidate.......[/quote]..

But a 14 year old girl!

He must be a Mormon........

Young Brides Stir New Outcry on Utah Polygamy

At the age of 15, Lu Ann Kingston was ready for marriage, or so her family elders decreed. They arranged for her to wed a 23-year-old distant relative, and she became his fourth wife, quickly bearing him two children..........

 

[mark kennedy]

I have a harder time wondering how any Christian can vote for a Dem to be honest. ABORTION? SMH

That's actually a Supreme Court issue, the President and the Congress effect things like regulation and the economy on a massive scale. I don't like abortion but just because of Roe v. Wade doesn't mean Prolife activism is ineffective, quite the opposite, it's been highly effective. I despise the liberal social agenda but it's only one plank in the national agenda. There is also social justice and foreign policy to consider. I live in Indiana so my vote for the Presidential races and Senate races rarely or of any significance since Indiana usually votes hard right. One thing is certain, I could never vote for one of the alt right candidates because what they are advocating is a fierce nationalism.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Well as I said most simply don't believe that allegation. Its viewed as a political hit job, a hoax.

There is the matter of denying evidence that one would otherwise accept just because he is in your tribe. A well known human failing.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The Democrats consistently elected Robert Byrd, a former Klansman, to the United States Senate. Racism is immoral, so was it sinful for liberals to vote for him? Byrd’s affiliations with the KKK happened a long time ago, and he repented. Christianity teaches that we must forgive people’s past sins, so it wasn’t sinful to vote for him.

The republicans have taken over the mantle of racism from the dixiecrats. It is how they won the south to their party.

 

[Revealing Times]

That's actually a Supreme Court issue, the President and the Congress effect things like regulation and the economy on a massive scale. I don't like abortion but just because of Roe v. Wade doesn't mean Prolife activism is ineffective, quite the opposite, it's been highly effective. I despise the liberal social agenda but it's only one plank in the national agenda. There is also social justice and foreign policy to consider. I live in Indiana so my vote for the Presidential races and Senate races rarely or of any significance since Indiana usually votes hard right. One thing is certain, I could never vote for one of the alt right candidates because what they are advocating is a fierce nationalism.

Naw, every time you vote for a Liberal Dem you put forth people that place anti-American Socialist/Marxist judges on all of those courts, thus you vote in homosexual marriage, abortion etc. etc. You can't pass that buck brother. Being a Christian of over 30 years I couldn't live with myself, I would have to bathe 20 time a day. (Some RINOS are just as bad, that is why I am a registered Conservative, not a Republican)

Fierce nationalism is a god thing, not voting in people that do not want protect our borders is a bad thing. Dems want to throw God out of their platform, they want grown men in little girls bathrooms, they want homosexual marriage, abortion up until the 9th month, the whole party is just cuckoo. Dems are Socialist, nothing they have ever done has led to prosperity. Ike (JFK a Dem. CREDIT DUE) and Reagan cut taxes and the Economy boomed. I just do not get people who love America and cling to Socialist values, it makes no sense to me. If the Gov. would get out of the way the economy would boom, but Dems want all these strings attached, because that is how they shake people down.

 

[Revealing Times]

The republicans have taken over the mantle of racism from the dixiecrats. It is how they won the south to their party.

Keep voting in those abortionists and homosexual advocates..........God is watching.

 

[Tree of Life]

Newsweek reported that 40% of evangelicals in Alabama are more likely to vote for an accused child molester now that he's been accused than they were before the accusations were made.

Normally voting "moral values" means voting against immoral practises, laws, and candidates but now it appears that a good proportion of evangelicals see it differently. After five women have claimed that a candidate for the US Senate had dealings with them when they were between 14 and 18 years old (one of them was 14, two 16, one 17, and one 18) and two say they were molested by the candidate. The candidate denies their claims. Now it seems that evangelical Christians in Alabama intend vote for him more so now than before the accusations were made.

"Nearly 40 percent of Evangelical Christians in Alabama say they're now more likely to vote for Roy Moore after multiple allegations that he molested children, even as voters across the historically red state now seem to be punishing Moore for his past actions, a new poll shows.
... " from Newsweek

For those of us who are Christians how can such things be? Is it right to do as the poll says and intensify your decision to vote for a candidate after he has been accused of molesting young teenage girls when he was thirty something years old? Is this how Christian moral teaching shows its superiority to worldly morality?

Jesus Christ was falsely accused of many different sins. Should we not follow him for this reason?

 

[mark kennedy]

Naw, every time you vote for a Liberal Dem you put forth people that place anti-American Socialist/Marxist judges on all of those courts, thus you vote in homosexual marriage, abortion etc. etc. You can't pass that buck brother. Being a Christian of over 30 years I couldn't live with myself, I would have to bathe 20 time a day. (Some RINOS are just as bad, that is why I am a registered Conservative, not a Republican)

I'm not buying it, the choice isn't between national socialism and Marxist Socialism. There is a third choice and the GOP isn't honoring the traditional principles of democracy any more then the establishment liberals are. They have made disastrous decisions that sent our economy teetering on the edge of an abyss and the inflammatory rhetoric that we are caught in a delima between prochristian conservatives and Marxist liberals doesn't address the issues and needlessly polarize already divisive and contentious issues.

Fierce nationalism is a god thing, not voting in people that do not want protect out borders is a bad thing.

Fierce nationalism led Europe into WW1 and WW2 and all of us into the Cold War. Indeed Democrats want open boarders and that is simply wrong, I've always been opposed to that.

Dems want to throw God out of their platform, they want grown men in little girls bathrooms, they want homosexual marriage, abortion up until the 9th month, the whole party is just cuckoo. Dems are Socialist, nothing they have ever done has led to prosperity. Ike (JFK a Dem. CREDIT DUE) and Reagan cut taxes and the Economy boomed.

Under the Reagan capitol tax cuts, social spending cuts and deregulation we had double digit inflation and double digit unemployment. Under Clinton the economy boomed, under Obama the economy recovered and surged, a trend that continues to this day because the embattled GOP controlled Congress and inept Presidential administration hasn't been able to pass any meaningful legislation.

I just do not get people who love America and cling to Socialist values, it makes no sense to me. If the Gov. would get out of te way the economy would boom, but Dems want all these strings attached, because that how they shake people down.

I know the track record of both agendas and it's not between national socialism and communist socialism, you are describing Europe before WW2. We have a real choice if we will affirm or Constitutional republic along the lines of Democratic moral consensus, we can still revive and restore our ability to lead the world economically and diplomatically. If we fail, we become surrogates of foreign powers who would manipulate our political process to their own selfish ends.

Back off the rhetoric and maybe we can discuss the real issues.

 

[Revealing Times]

I believe that five women. I do not believe the candidate.

I don't because I know Dems, they plan all of this stuff in advance, pay women to lie, you have NO CLUE about the women in reality. Do you know one of them has a felony she was charged with? And you say five women have accused him, like that is a PROVEN FACT, but three said they dated him at 17, 18 and 19 I think, and consent is 16 in Alabama. One of those worked in the Hillary and Biden Camps as an Interpreter and she had Facebook posts that were Anti-Trump, RESIST was tagged in her likes post !!

So you just put forth the falsehood they wanted you to repeat, because the smear job was to bring forth three women he did NOTHING TO (They all three said nothing untoward happened) and you smear him basically, by saying five women are making claims against him, that is a FALSEHOOD. It was one woman who said she was 14, shes been married three times and tried to commit suicide. So your four (the 5th came out yesterday) turns into ONE, the other three are used on purpose as a SMEAR TACTIC which the Dems are good at. "Lets do like Satan and feed people half truths", it worked because you claim five woman have made claims against him, they hoodwinked you, its was only one woman, the thrice married woman who has tried to commit suicide and who has claimed three preachers tried to sexually harass her. ( THREE PREACHERS...Pattern here? ) They want everyone to say, Oh look he dated an 18 or 19 year old woman, therefore he probably did date the 14 year old. Why mention those three at all? One of those three like I stated is a Dem operative.

Yesterday a woman comes out (5th woman) with a Signature in a yearbook, Moore's attorneys explained today the woman told an untruth when she said she had no contact with Moore since 1977, he ruled against her in a DIVORCE CASE !!! (MOTIVE) in 1999. Guess what, the attorney for Moore wants to get the handwriting looked at by a professional expert, and Gloria Allred has already basically said no....LOL, because she made conditions contingent on them doing this, which tells us all we need to know. This proves its a FAKE SIGNATURE.

Mr Moore's attorney added that on that Divorce petition is two letters (D.A.) that was stamped on the papers and she though that meant D.A. (District Attorney) but it doesn't, Roy Moore had an assistant and when Roy's name was Stamped the Assistant signed his initials, D.A. and on her papers is D.A. and on the book he supposedly signed for her is the letters D.A., and he was NOT the DA in 1977, besides he says he has never signed anything DA and this proves she copied this form. Her own STEP-SON says he doesn't believe her.

So you just accused him of three instances which are just not true. Those three never claimed anything but DATES. Now you have them as inappropriate !! So the 14 year old at the time has many, many problems. The Woman with the book will not let the yearbook be tested (Proves shes lying IMHO) and now we have one today who is accusing him of groping her, of course shes been convicted of a Felony and is a drug abuser. Motley Crew we have here.

So on that evidence, you have determined his GUILT (five WOMEN !!! Minus three right off the bat). That is just not using your thinking cap if you ask me. This looks and smells just like a Dem political hit. So we have two very troubled women making claims and a woman who seems to have forged his signature. No one signs a book and places 1977 on it AND 12/22/77 and the 7's are completely different. You have been had.

 

[Basil the Great]

Remember the old slogan that the Republican Party stands for family values? Well, here is a chance to see what the AL voters think of the old slogan....

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I don't because I know Dems, they plan all of this stuff in advance, pay women to lie,

And you just make this stuff up to defend your positions. Shame.

Oh you might find SOME woman somewhere who was ONCE paid to lie . . . but you are slandering these women who are coming forth to report their past. That's a sin, you know.

you have NO CLUE about the Women in reality. Do you know one of them has a felony she was charged with?

This means she can't report a crime now? Come on!

One of those Worked in the Hillary and Biden Camps as an Interpreter and she had Facebook posts that were Anti-Trump, RESIST was tagged in her likes post !!

Oh, and that ranks right up there with being a convicted felon in your mind, I'm sure. Well, we know you are well and truly hypnotized.

 

[Revealing Times]

I'm not buying it, the choice isn't between national socialism and Marxist Socialism. There is a third choice and the GOP isn't honoring the traditional principles of democracy any more then the establishment liberals are. They have made disastrous decisions that sent our economy teetering on the edge of an abyss and the inflammatory rhetoric that we are caught in a delima between prochristian conservatives and Marxist liberals doesn't address the issues and needlessly polarize already divisive and contentious issues.

Keep voting for evil, you will have to answer to God for your own actions, its on you. And if you do not understand what brought the economy down THAT'S ON YOU ALSO. You believe the lying media, I don't. Bill Clinton and the Dems brought the economy down by demanding LOW INCOME LOANS in order for banks to get sweetheart merger deals, the banks that didn't go along got left behind thus the sub-prime disaster was created, its all on record. As bad as I dislike W. Bush, he warned Congress 17 times about the coming Housing Bubble/Crises and Barney Frank said (ITS ON TAPE) What Bubble? Socialism has never worked, look around the world. Yet you guys love it.

Fierce nationalism led Europe into WW1 and WW2 and all of us into the Cold War. Indeed Democrats want open boarders and that is simply wrong, I've always been opposed to that.

Wrong, allowing a Tyrant to gain power were problems with Germany/Russia/China etc. Not nationalism. They all followed Socialism/Communism, a Godless religion, that was their problem, not nationalism. You are looking at the wrong culprit, its Socialism/Fascism and Communism that is still the problem, look at Cuba and Venezuela. It just never works.

Under the Reagan capitol tax cuts, social spending cuts and deregulation we had double digit inflation and double digit unemployment. Under Clinton the economy boomed, under Obama the economy recovered and surged, a trend that continues to this day because the embattled GOP controlled Congress and inept Presidential administration hasn't been able to pass any meaningful legislation.

If you do not admit the economy boomed under Reagan you are just a partisan. I admit JFK boomed because he cut taxes. He raised revenue by double, Reagan tripled the tax revenues coming in, the problem is the SWAMP SPENDING. Socialism is evil and you advocating for that type of policies when we see it has worked nowhere on earth is just a little weird to me. The Media and Dems just LIE, LIE, LIE and way too many people just buy it, sad.

I know the track record of both agendas and it's not between national socialism and communist socialism, you are describing Europe before WW2. We have a real choice if we will affirm or Constitutional republic along the lines of Democratic moral consensus, we can still revive and restore our ability to lead the world economically and diplomatically. If we fail, we become surrogates of foreign powers who would manipulate our political process to their own selfish ends.

Back off the rhetoric and maybe we can discuss the real issues.

Lenin quote "Socialism leads to communism". Dems are full blown Socialist and they have ZERO MORALS, about half of the Republicans are the same way. You see I figured out about 5 years ago what I do not think the Dems have figured out yet, and most Republicans haven't either.

Both Dems and Republicans, save the few Republicans who are true strict constructionists, are shafting us and they all are a part of it. Why do we get such bad trade deals? We get sold out for CASH via back door channels. Gore becomes a Billionaire, the Clinton's are worth 250 Million and NEVER HAD A JOB !!

These foreign nationals are paying everyone in DC filthy money and we get the shaft. Trump is trying to drain the swamp but they are resisting like a demon thrashing around. God placed Trump there to get rid of the Scum Swamp, and he will do it.

Get ready for it..............Drain the Swamp !!!

 

[Revealing Times]

Remember the old slogan that the Republican Party stands for family values? Well, here is a chance to see what the AL voters think of the old slogan....

Dems = ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE.

Good job.

 

[Revealing Times]

And you just make this stuff up to defend your positions. Shame.

Everything I stated is 100 percent true, I am a preacher not a liar sir.

Oh you might find SOME woman somewhere who was ONCE paid to lie . . . but you are slandering these women who are coming forth to report their past. That's a sin, you know.

No I am weighing the facts which God tells us to do as good judges, unlike you who said he had 5 accusers. You aren't even hip to the facts. At least know what you are talking about sir. Presenting facts is slandering, but you calling him a pedophile when the only person under 17 was a thrice married woman who tried to off herself, and you believe her over a decorated War Vet. ??? Really. I live in Alabama, I understand who Mr Moore is and the great man that he is, you don't know him at all, or the women. So I decided to put all the facts out on the table, and their smears are found wanting. The Judge wants to allow an expert to check the Writing, but shes saying no, that discounts the woman with the yearbook right there. One woman is a Dem operative.

All of these woman have problems and three of them never made a claim. Anyone with common sense knows why the three came forth, it was so people, like you I guess, would buy the last woman's claims, she has major credibility issues, so we get three women to say I dated him at 18 or 19. Its a joke, why bring forth three women to say I dated him and he did nothing untoward's unto me ? That tells you its an ORCHESTRATED HIT !! LOL, who comes forth to claim a man dated me, but did nothing wrong? Three Women who are Dems no doubt, who want to LEND CRED to a woman with a bad credibility problem, they had to prop her up. So the thrice married woman who tried to commit suicide looks credible. A 5th grader could see through this.

This means she can't report a crime now? Come on!

The point is it goes to credibility. Shes a THIEF and a DRUG HEAD and you believe her over an upstanding citizen and a Vietnam Vet. I bet you would vote for Bill Clinton again in a heartbeat. I choose to believe the man that served our country, especially when we have a yearbook signature that has been forged. They did the same thing to Herman Cain and to President Trump. its their M.O., divide and conquer, Alinsky tactics.

Oh, and that ranks right up there with being a convicted felon in your mind, I'm sure. Well, we know you are well and truly hypnotized.

Yes, it shows MOTIVE, especially since she is the one that says he did nothing wrong, it was just a date. He married a 24 year old woman when he was 38 SO WHAT, he liked them younger, that is not a crime. But seems you guys want to make it one. I have dated women way back in the day and was told I'm 21 when I knew they were 18 and telling a fib, so younger women sometimes say they are older than they actually are. If he dated an 18 year old girl when he was 31 they might have told him they were 20, but its not wrong either way. We know you called a man a pedo with ZERO PROOF, that's what we know.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Everything I stated is 100 percent true, I am a preacher not a liar sir.


No I am weighing the facts which Gd tells us to d as f=good judges, unlike you who said he had 5 accusers. You aren't even hip to the facts. At least know what you are talking about sir. Presenting facts is slandering, but you calling him a pedophile when the only person under 17 was a thrice married woman who tried to off herself, and you believe her over a decorated War Vet. ??? Really. I live in Alabama, I understand who Mr Moore is and the great man that he is, you don't know him at all, or the women. So I decided to lat all the acts out, and their smears are found wanting. The Judge wants to allow an expert to check the Writing, but shes saying no, that discounts the woman with the yearbook right there. One woman is a Dem operative.

All of these woman have problems and three of them never made a claim. Anyone with common sense knows why the three came forth, it was so people, like you I guess, would buy the last woman's claims, she has major credibility issues, so we get three women to say I dated him at 18 or 19. Its a joke, why bring fort three women to say I dated him and he did nothing untoward's unto me ? That tells you ts an ORCHESTRATED HIT !! LOL, who comes forth to claim a man dated me, but did nothing wrong? Three Women who are Dems no doubt, who want to LEND CRED to a woman with a bad credibility problem, they had to prop her up. So the thrice married woman who tried to commit suicide looks credible. A 5th grader could see through this.


The point is it goes to credibility. Shes a THIEF and a DRUG HEAD and you believe her over an upstanding citizen and a Vietnam Vet. I bet you would vote for Bill Clinton again in a heartbeat. I choose to believe the man that served our country, especially when we have a book that has been forged. They did the same thing o Herman Cain and t President Trump. its their M.O., divide and conquer, Alinsky tactics.


Yes, it shows MOTIVE, especially since she is the one that says he did nothing wrong, it was just a date. He married a 24 year old woman when he was 38 SO WHAT, he liked them younger, that is not a crime. But seems you guys want to make it one. I have dated women way back in the day and was told I'm 21 when I knew they were 18 and telling a fib, so younger women sometimes say they are older than they actually are. If he dated an 18 year old girl when he was 31 they might have told him they were 20, but its not wrong either way. We know you called a man a pedo with ZERO PROOF, that's what we know.

Preacher of lies or preacher of hate what's the difference?

 

[Revealing Times]

Preacher of lies or preacher of hate what's the difference?

Dems/Liberals = 60 Million Abortions....you proud of that? Its despicable to me. We are offering an offering unto Baal. Now you call me a hater for preaching Gods word. I wear that as a badge of honor.

 

[Tutorman]

i've read through the whole thread.

first of all. in the US and as Christians it's innocent until proven guilty. you want guilty until proven innocent, go to japan where false accusations can and do ruin people's lives regardless of if they're proven innocent or not.

you seem to be shouting your "i believe the women" as a badge of honor even though the most evidence you seem to have is a signature in one of their yearbooks which really just means she had some passing social contact. but it's called into question as legitimate when the signature was signed as Ray Moore, and as DA when he was just deputy district attorney at the time it was supposed to have been signed... which oddly enough was at christmas time in a restaurant rather than the end of a school year. who actually takes their yearbook out with them to work at least half a year after they get it and why would he sign the location in there as well? there's a lot fishy about the evidence here if you get into it.

but accusations are evidence huh? that's funny i thought they were just accusations rather than evidence. insinuation that someone might have done something wrong rather than actual evidence. guess we're in something akin to sharia law now where the word of muslim men is the highest evidence there is, muslim women's testimony doesn't count as much as the men's, non-muslim witnesses are counted as unreliable at best and actual scientific evidence doesn't mean beans in comparison to the testimony of a muslim no matter if it's blatant proof or not.

lets look at the case that he did know these women and if we're considering that being the case the way you're forcing your view that he's unrepentant even though the latest of the accusations is decades old already is a bit weak i think. honestly, people who are unrepentant don't stop and forcing that narrative especially when you don't know if he actually did what he's been accused of or not is horrible.

another thing, saying you've got the right to judge who's repentant or not isn't biblical. that's God's job not ours.

speaking of voting immorally let's talk about that lawyer who laughed about getting a pedo she knew was guilty off the hook. you know the most recent democrat to run for president, Hillary Clinton. talk about voting immorally.

you can yak about how you don't see how Christians can vote republican anyway but that's just because you've got no clue what's biblical... maybe you think the democrat stance on welfare and such is a good thing because you think it's good to give to help the poor and yet state mandated welfare is coerced and forced giving WHICH IS BLATANTLY NOT BIBLICAL and some would even consider it to be state licensed theft. dunno if you missed it but theft is not considered a good thing in the bible. republicans would likely much rather choose a charity to donate to in order to help that cause than have it mandated to them by the blatantly inefficient, largely ineffective, and wasteful government that they're donating through the government.

maybe you think oppression of minority groups is bad. something republicans would agree with you on btw it is the party responsible for getting rid of slavery after all. we just also happen to think that individual responsibility is important as well so we don't judge based on race rather than individual actions and if that leads to the statistics showing certain minorities as being more prone to crime than other ethnic groups the problem isn't racism especially when there are quite a lot of cases of individuals belonging to minorities that are upstanding and great citizens who NEVER break a single law. if that's the case then could it be that these a number of individuals simply aren't being brought up properly and law abiding or maybe even that they're living in a social environment that actually praises and looks up to people who aren't exactly model citizens? wonder what could have caused that? maybe single parenthood leading to lack of parental figures to actually teach kids how to act brought on by the democrats systems that promote marriage to the state rather than actually being responsible in choosing a mate? nah, there's no way that could lead to kids seeing some fools living better by being bad and thinking that's the way to go.

wait, individual responsibility and your parent's making poor choices are harder pills to swallow than it not being your fault or that your parents didn't make good choices. it's just easier to blame it on racism and white privilege.
oh wait, i can't say that, i'm a strait white male who's parents made (and still make) the constant choice to stay together and work their butts off to provide for me through the hard times and even through the times they didn't particularly like each other but no, my parent's good choices and hard work, as well as their parent's before them, are boiled down to some innate privilege i gained by virtue of my skin color.

dunno if you've noticed but identity politics rather than treating people as individuals IS RACISM! and identity politics is the go to for democrats. they just frame it like they frame most everything they do as trying to help when time after time again it has only been detrimental not only to the groups they claim to want to help but also to the country.

i mean heck, social security is destroying us with debt. socialized healthcare is too.
btw being in debt is also not responsible behavior according to the bible.

Wonderful post, spot on.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Dems/Liberals = 60 Million Abortions....you proud of that? Its despicable to me. We are offering an offering unto Baal. Now you call me a hater for preaching Gods word. I wear that as a badge of honor.

Blanket statements. Why would I be proud of that? Are you proud of all the dead beat dads that deride the mothers on welfare?

 

[GingerBeer]

Jesus Christ was falsely accused of many different sins. Should we not follow him for this reason?

Jesus was falsely accused and we know it from scripture. The senate candidate is not Jesus.

 

[GingerBeer]

I don't because I know Dems

The five women are not Democrats.