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Featured Voting Christian immoral values.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by GingerBeer, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. GingerBeer

    GingerBeer Well-Known Member

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    Newsweek reported that 40% of evangelicals in Alabama are more likely to vote for an accused child molester now that he's been accused than they were before the accusations were made.

    Normally voting "moral values" means voting against immoral practises, laws, and candidates but now it appears that a good proportion of evangelicals see it differently. After five women have claimed that a candidate for the US Senate had dealings with them when they were between 14 and 18 years old (one of them was 14, two 16, one 17, and one 18) and two say they were molested by the candidate. The candidate denies their claims. Now it seems that evangelical Christians in Alabama intend vote for him more so now than before the accusations were made.

    "Nearly 40 percent of Evangelical Christians in Alabama say they're now more likely to vote for Roy Moore after multiple allegations that he molested children, even as voters across the historically red state now seem to be punishing Moore for his past actions, a new poll shows.
    ... " from Newsweek

    For those of us who are Christians how can such things be? Is it right to do as the poll says and intensify your decision to vote for a candidate after he has been accused of molesting young teenage girls when he was thirty something years old? Is this how Christian moral teaching shows its superiority to worldly morality?
     
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  2. buzuxi02

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    Most people don't believe it, they believe its a political hit job so yes they will push back. As far as the older women 17-19 it was consensual and this is Alabama of 40 years ago. Where i come from especially decades ago it was normal for an established man to marry a younger gal. my Dad was 32 and my mom 19 when they married 12.5 year difference. If that is strange none of us would have been born.
     
  3. GingerBeer

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    But a 14 year old girl!
     
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  4. buzuxi02

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    Well as I said most simply don't believe that allegation. Its viewed as a political hit job, a hoax.
     
  5. mark kennedy

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    I'm a Democrat so I didn't like Moore because of his ideology. It does seem strange that some are saying they would vote for him even if it's true. Mostly people are dismissing this as political mud slinging, I know I'm having a hard time knowing what to think. I've never really understood why white evangelicals veer right politically. Being prolife and wanting to protect family values always seemed like valid motivation. Here there are really two moral problems, if true he is unfit to hold office. If not true it's character assassination at it's worst. Either way there are serious moral issues involved which clearly outweigh the politics involved, it comes down to whether or not you believe him or his accusers. Frankly he is looking pretty guilty to me.
     
  6. GingerBeer

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    That's sad.
     
  7. paul1149

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    If they came up with something more recent that was believable, it would be game-over. But 38 years is a long time, and a persistent character flaw has hardly been proven.

    Then there's the bias of the whole thing. The Democrat party circled the wagons around Bill Clinton - an act that in my mind was the last moral straw for the party. And he had very credible accusations of rape against him, as well as several lesser sexual crimes and a well-testified boatload of immoral behavior.

    In my mind there's a threshold of seriousness and believability that must be reached before I will weigh the charges against a candidate, and in this case, I don't think we're there yet. We need to exercise some caution regarding accusations, otherwise no one would be able to run for office. I find it more than a little suspicious that so many establishment Republican senators so quickly jumped to condemn Moore. I only wish they were so effective when it came to legislating.

    There's some time left before the election, and I'm hoping the truth will come out.
     
  8. War_Eagle

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    I know this is going to sound really crazy but aren't people generally considered innocent until they're proven guilty?
     
  9. War_Eagle

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    And why now? Why not before his two elections to the SCoA? Why not before the primary?
     
  10. GingerBeer

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    In a trial for a crime, yes.
     
  11. Albion

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    There are two ways "it can be."

    First, it is not especially Christian to convict anyone (in the court of public opinion, that is) as soon as an accusation is made--and denied by the one being accused. To wait at least until the facts are known is seen by many Christians, evangelical or otherwise, as only just and fair. It's "Christian," you might say.

    Second, while many people think of our elected officials as the shining examples of whatever it is that we all should be, other voters think of them as our chosen representatives for the purposes of establishing laws and regulations that govern all the matters that are outlined in the Constitution.

    So, which would be better to the mind of an evangelical voter--a person who has sinned and yet works effectively in Congress to end abortion on demand (for example)...or a perfectly wonderful, ethical to the core, kind of man who votes to make abortion on demand more readily available?

    When I want a plumber, it's appealing in a way to hire a member of my church to do the job, but I'd really like someone who can fix the leak. I'll turn back to the fellow member of my church when we're in need of someone to help with handing out clothes to the homeless.
     
  12. Albion

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    Well, sure. But this man is a Republican. You cannot expect Democrats and Liberals to take the same moral stance with him as they did with, say, Bill and Hillary Clinton or Senator Menendez (who's currently on trial). C'mon. :wink:
     
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  13. War_Eagle

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    Very well put.

    I think it's odd that the expectation is that Christians, who's very religion centers around the concept of redemption, are being pressured to condemn somebody for a forty year old sin without any consideration, not only of the evidence, but of the time passed and the possibility that Chief Justice Moore, had he actually done these things, may not be the same man he was forty years ago.

    I know there are many thing in my past that are so foreign to me, it's like the actions of another person. And I know that Christ did not hesitate to forgive me of my sins and does not hold them over my head.

    Like the Ungrateful Servant, how could I not forgive him, knowing the sins I've been forgiven for?
     
  14. RadiantGrace

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    Right wing Christians would vote for Satan himself as long as he had an "R" next to his name on election day. They would make all kinds of excuses about how his relationship with God wasn't important to politics and then they'd ramble on about his opponent. Even if Jesus was running and had a "D" next to his name they'd vote for Satan. Years of corporate propaganda appealing to religion and lack of education not only caused Americans to vote in ways that harm themselves... now they proudly voted for a man like Trump... a man who spent his life conning people and living in sin. I don't think evangelical writers could think up a better character to play the anti-Christ in one of their end times films.

    It's nothing new. The people of Jerusalem literally voted for a murderer over Jesus.
     
  15. RadiantGrace

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    That disconnect you just showed is part of the problem.

    When a man rambles on about abortion and tries to restrict it, while doing nothing to help struggling families and single mothers, it becomes apparent they are just another godless con artist that insults our intelligence and faith by playing the abortion card. It's how corporations fill congress with their pawns.
     
  16. Albion

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    As though the same cannot be said of Democrats, too. They vote straight party ballots more often than Republicans and specialize in exonerating the bad apples in their party. Some examples of that have already been posted.
     
  17. Albion

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    And you are about to present the evidence that "they" do "nothing to help struggling families," I assume. I'm anxious to read what you have to show us.
     
  18. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Well, on the one hand you've got a guy who was guilty of indecent behavior forty years ago (assuming it's true). On the other hand, you've got an entire party that has been aggressively pushing to normalize a whole rainbow of perversions. Tough call, eh?

    Something tells me we're not drinking the same ginger beer.

    I can't jump on your bandwagon. My mom was very young, and my dad was significantly older than her. They stayed together and raised a godly family, so I don't get your beef.
     
  19. GingerBeer

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    Was your mother 14 when you dad married her?
     
  20. compassion 4 humanity

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    The Democrats consistently elected Robert Byrd, a former Klansman, to the United States Senate. Racism is immoral, so was it sinful for liberals to vote for him? Byrd’s affiliations with the KKK happened a long time ago, and he repented. Christianity teaches that we must forgive people’s past sins, so it wasn’t sinful to vote for him.

    By the same token, the so-called child molester committed his sins a long time ago. Since then, he’s repented and become a Christian. So it isn’t sinful to vote for him.
     
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