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"virgin" in Isaiah 7:14

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by bethdinsmore, Sep 28, 2005.

  1. Phillip Hawley

    Phillip Hawley Y'shua HaMoshiach based Messianic Jew

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    Yep,
    Context defines the word.
    context culturally, location in the verses surrounding, Pronounds, prepositions, Overal picture.

    That is why when someone neglects their OT scripture studies they have such a hard time discerning context of the Newer Testaments. I see it all the time. They memorize a theology and forget what the scripture actually says.

    Bananna
     
  3. simchat_torah

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    Uhhhhhhhh .......... WHAT???????

    :confused:
     
  4. DavidHaCohen

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    Shalom all,
    Once again, I'm not going to debate theology, since I'm a guest. However, I still don't understand why there is so much controversy over Isaiah 7:14. I mean, don't the fathers of Christianity say that Matthew was originally penned in Hebrew? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that means Greek Matthew is a translation, no? So at best we're looking at a mistranslation.

    Anyways, I checked out the available Hebrew Matthew manuscripts which some claim to have not been translated from the Greek, and I found out that they all quoted Isaiah 7 accurately, using the word 'almah'.

    I'm not messianic, but from my studies on religion, I realized that those anti-whatever groups (be it anti-christian, anti-jewish, anti-mormon, anti-....<fill in the gap with your religion of choice>) too often misrepresent the beliefs of the groups they're fighting, and don't mind slips such as this one as long as their goals of getting people out of such groups is achieved. I find that appalling.

    We are all born free, thank G-d, to chose whatever religion we want. If we think one spiritual path is wrong, then let it be for fair-reasons, not made-up half-truth arguments. And yes, Rashi does give the impression he finds 'virgin' a suitable translation elsewhere in his commentaries.

    Oy, I would be so in trouble with the rabbi from our shul if he saw that post. ;) But well, I don't believe in bashing other people's religious beliefs.

    Dave
     
  5. DavidHaCohen

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    An ashkenazi Tanach, now that's an interesting idea. It'd probably sound like this:

    "Moishe, your brother Aharoin is building a golden calf for the people"
    "Oy vey, shtimm zich! Has Aharoin gone meshigene? This shtark gehert! When I get down there, he's in serious shtuk" :D (sorry, couldn't resist)


     
  6. Wags

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    LOL! :D

    Sounds like something out of the "Extremely Reform Haggadah".
     
  7. simchat_torah

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    Oh? Which one?
     
  8. Phillip Hawley

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    Priceless! Send me a copy. I don't want to have to wait for the movie! :thumbsup: I always thought Gene Wilder would have made a great Moishe. This script would be perfect! :clap:
     
  9. DavidHaCohen

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    DuTillet and another one I can't remember the name. I was told there are others which have a similar reading. Unfortunately, I can't post links yet, looks like I don't have enough 'blessings' whatever they mean by that.

     
  10. Tishri1

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    Well Joseph didn't get her pregnant!^_^

    Whether or not that prophesy is for a virgin to conceive or not...A VIRGIN DID CONCEIVE:clap:...In Retrospect I would conclude that that is what was suppose to happen in the first place and thus was the prophet trying to get the message out THAT WAY...I would think so...:idea:
     
  11. Tishri1

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    exactly were do you all meet to converse? I am puzzeled as to where you all go to exersize (since your hands are tied in here) can you post a link inside of cf where we can find you the most?:wave:
     
  12. Tishri1

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    I wont tell:thumbsup:

    Dave you are a breath of fresh air and I think we are twins separated from birth...I ditto your comment!:wave:
     
  13. simchat_torah

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    To my knowledge the DuTillet is not posted in Hebrew in full on the internet...
     
  14. iitb

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  15. DavidHaCohen

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    Yes, that's the link! Thank you!
    Now, if only I could remember the other one, but I had too much Manischewitz at shul today. Maybe tomorrow when I'm feeling better. :blush:

     
  16. DavidHaCohen

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    I wouldn't be surprised. I'm the eldest of 7 siblings, two of which are twins. :cool:
    Most of them are married and have children already. Now imagine what it's like at Pessach after the 4th cup. ^_^

     
  17. Tishri1

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    Yeh and it sounds like you have had a joyful time today too hehehe^_^
     
  18. DavidHaCohen

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    yeah but it ended in too much l'chayim :sorry::blush:

     
  19. bethdinsmore

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