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Video: Pennsylvania election hearing

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by NightHawkeye, Nov 26, 2020.

  1. NightHawkeye

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    Three and a half hours of sworn testimony from witnesses to Pennsylvania election fraud.
     
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  2. Hans Blaster

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    Could you point out the time stamps where people swear oaths? Thanks.
     
  3. Larnievc

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    Three and a half hours of hot air.
     
  4. Tanj

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    I, like @Hans Blaster also would like to see evidence of the the swearing in process.
     
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  5. Kenny'sID

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    Unless you watched it in it's entirety, is yor post any less hot air?
     
  6. Tom 1

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    What is the point of this? There is quite literally nothing in here that shows any fraud. A bunch of people saying 'uh we don't like how they did this or that'. So what? Where's the fraud? Please provide actual evidence of one single act of fraud, you must be able to find at least one. What exactly happened, where exactly did it happen, what was the end result. Specifically please. Someone's bizarre notions that standard procedures are somehow suspect is not evidence of fraud - just something, at least one example that actually shows actual fraud. There has to be at least one thing you can conclusively demonstrate was fraudulent.
     
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  7. Valletta

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    What a bunch of thugs that are trying to steal the election away from President Trump. It is clear Trump won by a huge margin. I echo the thought of a witness that no one with a conscience can support what was done.
     
  8. whatbogsends

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    The election is over. The thugs are trying to change the results.

    I'd say that no one with a conscience can support what Trump has done since the election, yet, here we are...
     
  9. Valletta

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    I see you are from Romania. There has not been enough time for you to view the entire hearing since the time it was posted. I watched the hearings elsewhere. How about you take the time to watch it before you comment? The documented wrongdoing is massive. Observers were barred from entering the counting room for two and a half days!!! USB cards were inserted into the machines at least, I believe it was 47 times. Votes were uploaded that were over 99 percent for Biden--statistically impossible.
     
  10. Valletta

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    This is the most massive election fraud in the history of our nation. Every American should be outraged.
    I would bet you didn't bother to view the hearings.
     
  11. Tom 1

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    Take each of those individual allegations and put them in their own context. There were more than enough observers already observing, arguing that they should have been allowed to stuff ever more people in is not any sort of argument. The hooha over usb cards is nothing more than a basic misunderstanding over procedure, at best. I’ve watched enough of each segment to see it’s nothing more than has been presented anywhere else - a lot of rambling nonsense no-one even bothers to put any intelligent questions to. If you want to believe at least try and investigate the claims independently- what possible reason could you have to believe stuff just because someone says so? Take one instance of fraud and explain exactly how it happened, using all available sources show clearly and specifically what happened, and why you think it happened that way. Why is it difficult to understand that accusations and uninformed notions are not evidence? It may be that actually trying to demonstrate evidence for actual fraud will help you to understand what the difference is.
     
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  12. Kenny'sID

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    A few of us would find it helpful if you would please tell us the time stamp of those allegations?
     
  13. Tom 1

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    I’ll humour you - but only once if you don’t actually follow through, as I suspect you won’t. I’m aware of the silly games you play, so I’m assuming based on prior evidence that your question is not sincere. But, to give you a chance to prove me wrong, the first guy to speak lies through his teeth for about 10 minutes. Here’s your homework - he claims around 38 minutes in to the vid that mail in voting has led to massive fraud wherever it has been used. This is entirely untrue. A large proportion of votes in Germany for example are regularly sent by post, and you can find other examples of the regular and successful use of postal voting for different reasons in a number of different countries. If you believe his allegations have some substance to them, if you believe he is right that postal voting always leads to ‘massive fraud’, please provide your reasons for this belief. If you answer in good faith then we can move on to another spurious allegation.
     
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  14. Kenny'sID

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    Easy, boy, the question reflected what a few of us wanted, as in we didn't want to go through 3 hrs of that just to get to the meat. I had no real intention of proving you wrong, but I suppose that will be up for grabs.

    I haven't finished your post yet, but will you be picking and choosing what to show us, or was it chosen without biase?
     
  15. Tom 1

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    I’m not sure how bias would change what is said - guy says postal voting always leads to ‘massive fraud’. This is not true. Do you think it is true, and if so, why? Please feel free to pick your own allegations and explain why you think they are evidence of actual fraud.
     
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  16. TLK Valentine

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    7 million thugs?
     
  17. Kenny'sID

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    Ok, I see you are asking for a challenge, and I'll try to get to that as I've had my fill for the moment. Have you provided your reasons? I mean I read what you did claim, but is that all?

    It won't. My point was, did you pick and choose the easy to refute or were you more fair minded with your choice of what to debate and what not to?
     
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    My reasons for what?
     
  19. Tom 1

    Tom 1 Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    Could you just respond to the post? The first guy to speak makes a series of untrue statements. One of the first is that postal voting always leads to ‘massive fraud’, wherever it is used. As you can easily find out, this is not true. An answer that would show your original post was in good faith, i.e. that it was a genuine question and not some silly attempt at detailing the question of whether the vid contains anything that should be taken seriously, would address that point. Do you agree that his allegation is demonstrably false, or not? If not, why, and based on what?
     
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  20. Kenny'sID

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    Reasons for your belief, or why was he wrong?

    And while I have you here, I'll need to know exactly what you mean by my "silly games" as well as your accusation of not following through, so I'll know if what you are expecting from me is reasonable.
     
  21. Tom 1

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    Answering questions rather than dissembling, avoiding and going off on tangents. Why do I believe postal voting doesn’t result in ‘massive fraud wherever it is used’ - is that what you mean - ? Because it doesn’t. There is no reason to believe that it does - ? Postal voting is a regular occurrence in many countries and there is quite literally no reason at all to think that it leads to massive fraud.
     
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