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Featured Very concerned about Jerusalem / US embassy

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by friend of, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. friend of

    friend of Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Okay so, this source states that the 4th beast will be Israel-USA partnership and that by this world power, all nations of the world will be persecuted and brought into subjection of a false spirituality that imposes itself as Christian, but will actually prove be anti-Christian.

    I'm concerned because I'm a Trump supporter and like many conservatives on these forums I dearly appreciate the US reasserting its Christian heritage, but this report is troubling, as you can probably tell. I also feel I may have helped this along through participating in my career...



    The end time form of these two beasts is encompassed in the 'dreadful
    and terrible' fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7.

    This will be the fourth and final 'beast like' form of Israel. A united
    Jewish and Christian entity, which will trample dissenting groups (and
    individuals) within its sphere of influence.

    It will be a religious organisation which will seek to bring the people
    of God into spiritual captivity. So in this way many will be symbolically
    marked in their minds (foreheads) and religious work (right hand).

    People and groups which do not 'fall into line' will be disfellowshipped
    and otherwise suppressed (symbolically killed). This organisation will
    seek to fully control God's vineyard work. It will be a composite
    Jewish/Christian 'kingdom' which all symbolic 'tribes, tongues and
    nations', ie Jewish and Christian groups, will be expected to worship.


    In the prophecy the composite nature of this entity can be seen upon
    the subsequent separation of the first three horns (representing Judaism),
    from the other seven horns (representing the 7 churches of Christianity).

    With the removal of the initial 3 horns a 2nd form of fourth beast arises.

    It is at this stage that reference is again made back to Rev 13:5 where
    it talks about the beast from the sea, "and he was given a mouth speaking
    great things, and blasphemies".

    Revelation 13 - Beast, False Prophet, 42 months, 666 - Explained!
     
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  2. Radagast

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    Random websites are usually wrong. Random websites discussing the end times are always wrong.
     
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  3. Truth7t7

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    I disagree strongly with your source :)
     
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  4. Heart2Soul

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    You should never be concerned that you caused or ushered in the prophetic Word of God....He is in control...TOTAL CONTROL of what, where, who, why and how and WHEN. His Word will not return to Him Void but will accomplish all that it was sent forth to do. Jesus said do not fear what man can do to you but rather fear what God can do...(meaning execute final judgment on our souls).
    Jesus assured the disciples that all these things will come to pass then to look up for our Redemption Draweth Nigh! Hallelujah!
     
  5. Michael Collum

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    The iron beast is the automobile, nothing is more American than a car or a really loud motorcycle. So why not?
     
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  6. dreadnought

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    Jesus taught us that Satan is the ruler of this world. The world hates Israel.

    The Christians own a huge amount of territory. The Muslims own a huge amount of territory. All the Jews have is the tiny sliver of land known as Palestine, which the Lord gave them as an eternal inheritance, and the world keeps trying to take it away from them. But Donald Trump has the courage to stand up for Israel.
     
  7. TribulationSigns

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    Come on people. Do you ever use the Bible as interpreter, or do you get all your interpretations from CNN, History Books, and Jack Van Impe's reports of Israel? Rest assured, only the Bible is authoritative!

    We need to stop trying to define Israel by what you observe on a map, your TV, or by Fox News, and start defining Israel by GOD'S WORD. When you do that, you cannot err:

    Romans 9:5-8
    • "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
    • Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are NOT all Israel, which are of Israel:
    • Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    • That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
    How much clearer can it get? So then, according to the infallible word of God, the nation Israel is "NOT" the Israel of God, only those who are true children of God, children of the promise (in Christ) are Israel as God defines Israel. One has to totally be dishonorable or dishonest to ignore or deny these words of God. Being a nation doesn't make one Israel, according to God, what makes people Israel and counted as the seed, is that they are under the promise. For example, those who are in Christ, not the children of the flesh, but the children of the Spirit.

    So the real question is where can you find the children of the Spirit that Satan is coming after today? Is it National Israel or the Church?
     
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  8. Oscarr

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    We need to be very careful about "spooky-spiritual" interpretations of the book of Revelation. Most of these have been proved wrong and this one might not be the exception.
     
  9. Light of the East

    Light of the East Orthodox Inquirer Supporter

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    Why do you waste your time with such nonsense????
     
  10. Winken

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    I read this post, then deleted it. The source needs to look for work.
     
  11. dreadnought

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    You seem to be describing a spiritual Israel, and I won't question that. However, there is a race of people called the Jews that were nearly exterminated during World War II, and there are those who would exterminate them today, given the opportunity.
     
  12. TribulationSigns

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    You got wrong Jews.

    The New Covenant church may not be the Israel of man, but it most certainly is the Israel of God. Remember, He is not a Jew that is one outwardly in the flesh (or by heritage), but according to God's word he is a Jew that is one inwardly, in the spirit, whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 2:28-29). For example, the true Jews are the true Israel of God, not those in the flesh, but in the Spirit of Christ. Why this is so hard for so many to comprehend is astonishing because they are being obsessed with national Israel and the treatment of ethnic Jews.

    Ephesians 2:11-20
    • ""Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
    • That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the Covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    • But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    • For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    • Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[/l]
    • And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
    • And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
    • For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
    • Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    • And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"
    Jesus Christ is not a chief cornerstone of a physical Jewish temple! It is a spiritual temple making up of Gentiles AND Jews in Christ! When we were formerly Gentiles with respect to circumcision, called the uncircumcision and being foreigners or aliens (non-citizens) of Israel, now we are brought to Israel in Christ Jesus. God declares that we are now no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and of the household of God. How much clearer can it get? We are the Jews in Christ's eyes!

    Moreover, do you not know that the New Testament (the New Covenant) is with Israel? If that is true, then as is so well illustrated in the above verses by God, the New Covenant church must of necessity be Israel. The word of God is unambiguous about these basic truths.

    Hebrews 8:6-8
    • "But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a better Covenant, which was established upon better promises.
    • For if that FIRST Covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
    • For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:"
    Who is the New Covenant/Testament with? Again, clearly, the New covenant church is Israel. It is all those who are in Christ Jesus, regardless of national origin, Jew or Gentile, male or female, they are made fellow citizens of the commonwealth of Israel, and partakers of the same promises of God to them. Indeed, Israel ultimately is Christ Jesus (Hosea 11:1, Matthew 2:15), and so all those in Him would have to be the body of Israel. All those of Israel (the nation) are not Israel because only those in Christ Jesus (Romans 9:6-8) are truly the Israel of God. You need to get your facts straight concerning "Jews".
     
  13. dreadnought

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    There is a race of people that needs our protection.
     
  14. seventysevens

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    Yes there are real Jews with a real heritage to the ancient Israeli people and they are proud of their heritage they are Christians as well . But strangely enough there are people who go to extreme lengths to say they are not Israel and only the church can be - kinda sheds light on how the false teaching of replacement theology got it's start - Jesus said love one another , not cause division
     
  15. keras

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    The current inhabitants of the State of Israel may or may not be actual descendants of Jacob.
    They have no actual proof and history does tell us that the Kazar people converted to Judaism and became Jews, in the Middle ages. They are mainly the Ashkenazi Jews.
    It is NOT 'going to an extreme length' to say that Christians are the Israel of God. This is what the New Testament is all about; how the ethnic Israelites rejected Jesus and the Apostles turned to the Gentiles. Salvation is now available to all who will accept it.

    The nonsense about 'replacement theology' is made out to be a hateful belief by those who fondly expect to be rrrraptured outa here, who must have an Israel on earth while they sit in heaven. No prizes to guess who it is that causes division!
    This idea is so far away from what the Bible prophesies say, that its laughable.
    There has always been a people who truly believe in God, the 7000 of Elijah's time, to the early church, to todays faithful Christians. Nothing has been 'replaced', just expanded upon and now it is born again Christians; Jew, Gentile, from every race, nation and language, who are the real Israelites of God. His Overcomers, the Victorious ones. Revelation 5:9-10
    Many prophesies tell us that the apostate Jews will be Judged and only a remnant will survive. They will join their Christian brethren is all of the holy Land, soon after all that area is cleared by the Lord's Day of wrath.
     
  16. TribulationSigns

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    Really? That is our great commission? No, we are to bring the Gospel to all creature, including the Jews, even in nation Israel into the kingdom of God. No race need a special protection but those in Christ.

    It is not about to "the Jew First, and then to the Gentiles, and then Back to the Jews." That is again, "Private Interpretation." And Christ even reiterated this again and again in His preaching.

    Luke 13:28-30
    • "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
    • And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
    • And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last."
    Who are these last that use to be first, who are thrust out in the judgment? I mean there is no ambiguity about the condition of national Israel, even unto this very day. No spiritual fruit will grow in that nation forever, which is why to this day Christ is still despised there.

    Matthew 21:19
    • "And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away."
    The nation Israel is this fig tree. And clearly Christ didn't say let no fruit grow on you for a while, but none henceforth and for ever! Now do you understand why Israel despises her favorite son, even after 2000 years later? It was very "literally" prophesied beforehand and is literally fulfilled. You did say you believe in literal Prophesy didn't you?
     
  17. dreadnought

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    We were commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves. That includes the people who are now living in the state of Israel.
     
  18. TribulationSigns

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    Replacement Theology is a red herring and is not a phrase that is in the Bible. It is a phrase conjured up by those opposed to the truth of God's very own words concerning the Church and Israel, and it's meant to obfuscate the "real" issue.

    Hebrews 8:9-10
    • "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    • For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"
    The New Covenant with Israel is not with a physical Nation, but with a spiritual people whom God has put His laws into their mind and written them in their hearts. It never was an everlasting Covenant with a Nation (nor could it be), and so the idea of replacement of a nation is null and void. The nation only outwardly "represented" God's people, and clearly, according to God's word, that was subject to conditions. We've already given you countless scriptures illustrating that. Far from being blessed people, God has pronounced judgment upon the Nation of Israel.

    Matthew 21:42-43
    • "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
    • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
    Clearly, those are the Lord's words, not someone's private interpretation. The Kingdom representation has been taken from the nation of Israel. Therefore, how can your theology teach that the Nation of Israel is still God's chosen people? Clearly, God has chosen to remove the kingdom or reign from them and give it to another that will bring forth fruit. What you falsely label Replacement Theology is Christ's Theology. No fruit will come from "the nation" Israel ever again. The "restoration of Israel," which is the real Biblical phrase, is accomplished in the rebuilding in Christ. Not in the heresy of physical governments/kingdoms or Temples or Blood Sacrifices. But in Christ, "The Israel of God!"
     
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  19. TribulationSigns

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    So? Be neighborly and go to Israel yourself and tell the Jews about Jesus Christ then! Not about protecting them from the Arabs, or Russians, or warn them about terrible 3-1/2 years of physical bloodbath under Antichrist who wants his desk upon temple mount. Seriously!
     
  20. friend of

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    Does anyone else think the Tribulation is actually on right now?
     
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