Vaccines Save Lives

[Tavernier]

Pfizer’s Newest Vaccine Plant Has Persistent Mold Issues, History of Recalls

Four Times in History Vaccines Failed

Prescription and Over-the-Counter Drugs have also incurred recalls - most recent obvious one is Zantac
FDA-Approved Prescription Drugs Later Pulled from the Market

Gotta love this (just 4 months ago):
If you’ve had the Johnson & Johnson vaccine within the past three weeks, watch out for specific symptoms

 

[RDKirk]

So if the blood clot causes long-term effects it's not a long term effect? Kinda splitting hairs aren't you?

No. If the vaccine causes blood clots, it will do so within weeks, not years later. The effect of blood-clotting would be known quickly, not after waiting months or years to see what might happen.

 

[Tavernier]

The epidemic that never was
In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was."
"President Ford was basically told by his advisers, that look, we have a pandemic flu coming called swine flu that may be as bad as Spanish flu," said Michael Kinch, a professor of radiation oncology in the school of medicine at Washington University in St. Louis. His latest book, "Between Hope and Fear," explores the history of vaccines.

"Ford was being cajoled to put forward a vaccine that was hastily put together. When you have a brand new strain situation like that, they had to do it on the fly," Kinch said.
Ford made the decision to make the immunization compulsory.
The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine.
"Unfortunately, due to that vaccine, and the fact that it was done so hastily, there were a few hundred cases of Guillain-Barre, although it's not definitive that they were linked," Kinch said.

The CDC said the increased risk was about 1 additional case of Gullain-Barre for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. Due to this small association, the government stopped the program to investigate.

"It was kind of a fiasco," Markel said. "The good news is that there never was an epidemic of swine flu. So we were safe, but that shows you what could happen."

 

[topher694]

Not a "long term" effect, in terms of something happening only after some long period after the vaccination..

The reason a vaccine does not have a long-term effect is because the body disposes of vaccines in a short period of time, days or a couple of weeks, whereas drugs can accumulate over time in the body.

A vaccine is composed of simple fats and proteins, which the body will oxidize in a few days (or even hours in a fasting person). Whatever effect a vaccine is going to have, it does so very quickly before the body oxidizes it.

The effect may be long-lasting...in fact, we hope the effect is long lasting. But that effect is going to occur very quickly...it's not going to take weeks or months or years. It may be subtle and may need tests to present it, but will have happened relatively quickly.

Splitting hairs. Perhaps you missed the word "slowly" in the description. It can take a long time before symptoms are evident.

 

[rturner76]

Splitting hairs. Perhaps you missed the word "slowly" in the description. It can take a long time before symptoms are evident.

What would you call a "long time"? 6 months, a year, five years, how long before one is in the clear so to speak?

 

[topher694]

What would you call a "long time"? 6 months, a year, five years, how long before one is in the clear so to speak?

That's a matter of personal conviction.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I waited a month or so for its effectiveness to be proven. It was, and it continues to be. Suggesting we wait years is ridiculous when so many people are dying per day.

I hear you:

Hydroxychloroquine.
Ivermectin.
Favipiravir.
Fluvoxamine.
Etc.

 

[RDKirk]

Splitting hairs. Perhaps you missed the word "slowly" in the description. It can take a long time before symptoms are evident.

If the desire is to trace the pathology of a problem (rather than just use it as a political cudgel), there is a great deal of difference. The effect of a vaccine, even if you don't notice it until much later, would show evidence of having actually beginning shortly after the administration of the vaccine. If that kind of evidence can't be found, or if the problem clearly began long after the vaccine was administered, the cause likely was not the vaccine.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Who would we want to use things like education and science to make decisions about our medical care? That makes no sense!

Sorry, but that is a terrible reduction of my post. In the hands of wicked men--I know, I know, those don't exist in government any longer--normally useful things are used as foils for a takeover.

 

[Hammster]

Except we do have an idea, not only because of the testing that was done, but also because we've been able to track the results over the last 6-8 months. Also...not sure why you are so enamoured of the existing approval process, especially with the FDA. It's dreadful.

Glad to see that you agree that the populace was used as a lab experiment.

 

[topher694]

If the desire is to trace the pathology of a problem (rather than just use it as a political cudgel), there is a great deal of difference. The effect of a vaccine, even if you don't notice it until much later, would show evidence of having actually beginning shortly after the administration of the vaccine. If that kind of evidence can't be found, or if the problem clearly began long after the vaccine was administered, the cause likely was not the vaccine.

Technically every single issue of any kind begins at administration. According to your definition there can be no such thing as long term for literally anything. Clearly that is NOT what is meant when using the phrase "long term". And you imply I'm being political about it, lol. Ok then.

 

[RDKirk]

Technically every single issue of any kind begins at administration. According to your definition there can be no such thing as long term for literally anything. Clearly that is NOT what is meant when using the phrase "long term". And you imply I'm being political about it, lol. Ok then.

Wrong. What I said cannot be applied to "literally everything." It can be applied when it is known that an agent has a limited action and an effect is beyond the action of the agent.

 

[topher694]

Wrong. What I said cannot be applied to "literally everything." It can be applied when it is known that an agent has a limited action and an effect is beyond the action of the agent.

mmmm-hmmm. Sure. You're using circular logic and double speak. But I understand the tactic. When we don't like something let's go around and make up a definition that makes that thing sound possible, but actually makes it impossible, then we can accuse anyone who calls it out of being political and anti-science, that way they are less likely to notice we are the ones being political and anti-science. Got it.