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USCCB Statement on HHS

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by whitetiger1, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. whitetiger1

    whitetiger1 Well-Known Member

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  2. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote Supporter

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    In a way I really think that this is the response the President expected from the bishops.

    But the fact is that they will be pursuing their goal with "no less vigor" with the other two branches of government--but, most likely, considerably less media coverage and considerably less support.

    Whereas before there were some moderates and even a few liberals who were concerned, now the concern will most likely be restricted to the religious right--and we all know that in an election year, if the religious right didn't have a bee in their bonnets about something the President did they would invent one (note the birther controversy, for example.)

    He's won.
     
  3. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    He won eh?
    Meantime no one is working.............!
     
  4. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Well both Biden and Casey have refused at the moment to support Obama's accommodation until they see more detail because there are issues. So when his own VP and one of his leading Catholic supporters both decide that they will not come right out and support his changes and issue wait and see statements....won is a strong word.
     
  5. MrStain

    MrStain Nobody likes to be the Newbie

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    Lord save us from Obama and his weasely ways. Thank God the Bishops are not buying what he's selling or forcing insurance companies to give away for "free".
     
  6. Mikey123

    Mikey123 NXT

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    I trust the bishops more than message board posters.
     
  7. JacktheCatholic

    JacktheCatholic Praise be to Jesus Christ. Now and forever.

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    No wonder... Obama has not been keeping his promises and even those close to him no longer trust him. He has become a wild card. Because of this, I think his chances at re-election are not so good.
     
  8. MrStain

    MrStain Nobody likes to be the Newbie

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    I pray you are right.
     
  9. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    Well actually, this distraction has me quite worried. Obama is a master of distraction. He's forever using them to hide something else that he's doing that is much worse.

    Look around, what is he trying to cover by his assault on religious freedom--is it the fact that the job numbers are phony and only dependent upon a smaller workforce and folks that no longer even look for jobs? Is it that his Keystone decision has resulted in not only killing jobs and making us even more oil dependent to OPEC, but that the oil is being sold to China? Is it his culpability in the Egyptian Arab Spring that has turned to Muslim winter and may usher in yet another war? Why would he "blow his cover" and show all that he intended to trample on the Constitution?

    It's as if he were saying "Don't look there. Look over here." And while we are looking ....
     
  10. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    The problem with this is, just a few weeks ago, the president met with Archbishop Dolan, and assured him that he would allow the exemption for the Church.

    However, under pressure from Sebelius and the like, he caved in to the extreme left and back stabbed the Church.

    Now, it's obvious the president is changing his position because of the political threat to his re-election.

    What happens after the election, will he reverse everything and once again back stab the Church, being he now doesn't have a re-election to worry about?


    He certainly changed my thinking about voting for him in November.

    I'll probably vote for Santorum in the GOP primary on Super Tuesday, despite not liking how he supported Bush 100% when he was senator.

    Jim
     
  11. Fantine

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    I think that the next week or two will show how much steam this issue still has.

    Obviously the Republican candidates will try to keep fueling the controversy.

    But where does it go as an election issue?

    Most political analysts look at the election as a battle for moderates and independents.

    Most of you decided to vote for anyone but President Obama in the 2012 election before he was even inaugurated in 2009, and, whether the bishops felt the modifications were adequate or not, you would feel the same.

    If moderates and independents swing to the Republicans, particularly in the swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, that's what will decide the election.

    My opinion is that moderates and independents will primarily be concerned with economic issues, as all the polls indicate.
     
  12. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    For me it's now one of trust.

    Will Obama give the extreme left everything they want, if he's re-elected, especially where he won't have anything to lose?

    That's my concern.

    I may vote for Santorum in the GOP primary come Super Tuesday, although I didn't like Santorum when he voted 100% of the time with Bush, especially on the invasion of Iraq.

    Jim
     
  13. AMDG

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    Well maybe the fact that most of the Democrats (even Hillary Clinton) were also *for* the invasion of Iraq may help there.
     
  14. Fantine

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    The "extreme left" is quite unhappy with President Obama. They feel that, in trying to build consensus, he has gone too far trying to please the extreme right.

    Planned Parenthood is quite unhappy with President Obama. They don't want any religious exemptions at all. They would like to see the Hyde Amendment overturned. They see him as caving in to the religious right.

    The President is not the extreme left-wing caricature that the religious right tries to paint him as. Even during his campaign, teachers' unions were unhappy with his views on tenure, performance standards, etc. Peace advocates have been unhappy with his intervention in Libya and his failure to leave Afghanistan and Iraq as quickly as they wanted him to.

    What I see in the President is a "moderate liberal" whom right wingers try to redefine as a "Marxist" because the right wingers have gone so far off the deep end themselves that they would look at Ronald Reagan as a communist.
     
  15. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    And the recent actions by HHS and Obama have me concerned over his plans to appease Planned Parenthood after his election.

    Yeah, he was criticised by the extreme left for giving in to the extreme right, and they were correct in the assessment.

    However, now he's swung over to the extreme left, for political expediency.

    The extremes of both sides are equally dangerous and I would've preferred that the President remain in the center, which is where the majority of Americans are.


    Jim
     
  16. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Well I would've preferred a bone marrow transplant over having Hillary as VP, but the same could be said for Sarah Palin.

    Jim
     
  17. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Ah, that hope which springs eternal. :D
     
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