US Supreme Court/Petition Consideration/Bakery/Same-Sex Wedding

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What a Christian can do is to oppose this onslaught. Christianity is what once stood in its way and now we have infiltration and apostasy beyond comprehension. [/QUOTE said:
Many faithful Christians fundamentally disagree.
 
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What a Christian can do is to oppose this onslaught. Christianity is what once stood in its way and now we have infiltration and apostasy beyond comprehension.[/QUOTE said:
Well, as a Christian, I belong to one of the denominations that recognise, support, and allow same-sex marriages. 3 Other Christian Denominations That Allow Gay Marriage

I also belong to the Anglican Communion whose symbolic leader, the Church of England, recognises and supports same-sex civil partnerships. Church of England says civil partnerships should not be abolished following gay marriage legalisation | Christian News on Christian Today
 
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Rome didn't fall until after it converted to Christianity.

That is true. Rome's fall was actually in part caused by Christianity.

If we were to put the Christian persecution of the Pagans following Constantine into a present day context we might do so as follows. It will start with crowds harassing ministers and priests in the streets. It proceeds to riots and the burning of churches with the consequent killing of pastors and prominent members of congregations. This proceeds to attacking bible colleges and seminaries. The faculty are murdered, the libraries are burned and the buildings demolished. In the meantime church after church is attacked and burned. The diehard Christians are shipped off to concentration camps for interrogation (torture) and execution. Now, imagine that not only Christian institutions are treated in this way but every institution that has Christians in the faculty. Everything tainted in the least bit with Christianity is attacked and destroyed and any objectors are tortured and killed. One after another our schools and academies and universities are destroyed, their teachers tortured and killed. Libraries great and small are put to the torch. Die hard Christians are hunted down to the few remaining churches and die en masse as martyrs to their faith. Now imagine this happening over three centuries. In the end the world devolves into a very long dark age of ignorance and superstition. Replace the word Christian with the word Pagan and you might begin to imagine the persecution and the suffering and why the Roman Empire collapsed into barbarism for the next thousand years.
 
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That is true. Rome's fall was actually in part caused by Christianity.

If we were to put the Christian persecution of the Pagans following Constantine into a present day context we might do so as follows. It will start with crowds harassing ministers and priests in the streets. It proceeds to riots and the burning of churches with the consequent killing of pastors and prominent members of congregations. This proceeds to attacking bible colleges and seminaries. The faculty are murdered, the libraries are burned and the buildings demolished. In the meantime church after church is attacked and burned. The diehard Christians are shipped off to concentration camps for interrogation (torture) and execution. Now, imagine that not only Christian institutions are treated in this way but every institution that has Christians in the faculty. Everything tainted in the least bit with Christianity is attacked and destroyed and any objectors are tortured and killed. One after another our schools and academies and universities are destroyed, their teachers tortured and killed. Libraries great and small are put to the torch. Die hard Christians are hunted down to the few remaining churches and die en masse as martyrs to their faith. Now imagine this happening over three centuries. In the end the world devolves into a very long dark age of ignorance and superstition. Replace the word Christian with the word Pagan and you might begin to imagine the persecution and the suffering and why the Roman Empire collapsed into barbarism for the next thousand years.

Replace pagans with Muslims and LGBT, and that's what the far-right wants to do today.
 
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It has to start somewhere.

Yup, I was just in a thread a few weeks ago where people were not only defending teens trespassing and antagonzing (though to be fair, the one they were antagonizing could have respnded better), but praising them for being bold heroes of their faith and support. While that extreme is the minority, I do think you are right that what the majority of conservative Christians are upset about is that they are no longer always getting their way.
 
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Rome fell because the practice of homosexuality was so rife that many authoritative Roman personalities blamed its decline on the lifestyle that offended the gods. Remembering that unlikely today's society, Rome was a Theonomous law society, whereas today we live in an autonomous law society, that has never been in the history of humanity.
Rome fell in 476 a full 164 years after its conversion to Christianity
 
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Yes, it is not a Biblical marriage.

if you go that route then the baker is discriminating against non-Christians (or people he perceives as non-Christians) which is discrimination based on being a minority.
 
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if you go that route then the baker is discriminating against non-Christians (or people he perceives as non-Christians) which is discrimination based on being a minority.
No. Christian bakers make wedding cakes for all couples who are a male and female, it is not based on the customer's religion or no religion at all.
 
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No. Christian bakers make wedding cakes for all couples who are a male and female, it is not based on the customer's religion or no religion at all.
I forget which Christian bakery it was, Sweet Cakes or Masterpiece, but one of them was only too happy to make and sell wedding cakes for dog weddings.
 
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I forget which Christian bakery it was, Sweet Cakes or Masterpiece, but one of them was only too happy to make and sell wedding cakes for dog weddings.
What does that have to do with discrimination of a legal minority because of their religion rather than their behavior? Can we stick to serious human issues?
 
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Would that be like thieves being a minority, or pedophiles being a minority, or murderers being a minority?
It doesn't make any difference all those things are crimes making those people criminals.
 
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What does that have to do with discrimination of a legal minority because of their religion rather than their behavior? Can we stick to serious human issues?
it completely destroys the fiction that he baker's motivation is the sanctity of heterosexual marriage
 
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it completely destroys the fiction that he baker's motivation is the sanctity of heterosexual marriage
I don't agree at all. The silliness of some humans giving their pets human qualities, behaviors, characters, etc. has nothing to do with Serious Human Relationships.

I don't remember the DOG Marriage issue coming up with either bakery in any serious discussions about the law. Please provide support for this silliness.
 
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