US police have killed 9 people so far in April

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That's fine you don't think it should be counted but since they're Americans I'm not sure why. :wave:
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If a US cop was on vacation in France....got attacked by a mugger...and ended up killing his attacker in self-defense....would that make it onto this list? Why or why not?
 
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If a US cop was on vacation in France....got attacked by a mugger...and ended up killing his attacker in self-defense....would that make it onto this list? Why or why not?
...wouldn't you have to ask the website that posts the stories that question? :scratch:
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...wouldn't you have to ask the website that posts the stories that question? :scratch:
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Lol no? I'm asking you since you're the one posting them here based on some sort of relevance (I'm assuming...).
 
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Lol no? I'm asking you since you're the one posting them here based on some sort of relevance (I'm assuming...).
you have an example of a US policeman on vacation in France being jumped and then killing his attacker being one of the people on the list? which number would that be? :scratch:
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US police have killed 373 in 2017
(373) April 26, 2017 OH M
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170426/man-fatally-shot-by-columbus-police-officer-during-traffic-stop

(372) April 26, 2017 FL M/B Selwyn Hall, 57
http://jacksonville.com/news/public-safety/2017-04-26/suspect-dead-following-officer-involved-shooting-domestic-disturbance

(371) April 25, 2017 PA F/W Michelle Kolk, 40
http://6abc.com/news/woman-hit-by-police-car-in-kensington-has-died/1919697/

(370) April 25, 2017 NJ M
http://pix11.com/2017/04/26/newark-detectives-shoot-armed-man-during-robbery-investigation-officials-say/

(369) April 25, 2017 GA M/B Gavin Williams, 27
http://www.cbs46.com/story/35248353/man-shot-killed-by-deputies-after-fatal-incident-south-of-atlanta

(368) April 25, 2017 TX M , 53
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article146755109.html

(367) April 25, 2017 PA F/W Amanda Bennett, 20
http://wjactv.com/news/local/2-who-died-in-richland-township-murder-suicide-identified

(366) April 25, 2017 CA M Juan Manuel Avilla, 20
http://abc7.com/news/wild-police-chase-ends-in-bellflower;-1-suspect-in-custody-1-dead/1914715/

(365) April 24, 2017 TX M
http://kdhnews.com/news/crime/suspect-dead-after-robbery-attempt-in-killeen-market/article_0cd0af68-293a-11e7-a1de-5b12b1de033b.html

(364) April 24, 2017 AZ F , 17
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2017/04/24/teen-shot-police-during-fugitive-takedown-brandon-pequeno-has-died/100855256/
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If a US cop was on vacation in France....got attacked by a mugger...and ended up killing his attacker in self-defense....would that make it onto this list? Why or why not?

Yes. One month I went through and counted the unarmed deaths. It was less than tenth of a percent. I mean , look at 478. Guy had shot one cop and was shooting at FBI agents, but he is included like it is some kind of crime.
 
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Yes. One month I went through and counted the unarmed deaths. It was less than tenth of a percent. I mean , look at 478. Guy had shot one cop and was shooting at FBI agents, but he is included like it is some kind of crime.

This is one of those "ideology" threads and it appears, most have come to realize this.
 
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This is one of those "ideology" threads and it appears, most have come to realize this.
huh...and all this time I thought it was just a thread about facts I'm interested in making people more aware of.
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huh...and all this time I thought it was just a thread about facts I'm interested in making people more aware of.
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Any facts, can be used to promote a certain ideology. I think you knew that though.
 
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Here's one for talc's
...who's "talc"? :scratch:
...list, if it's not already there.
Man killed by police in stand off after he murdered an acquaintance of mine. A nice kid that never hurt a sole.
Wish this one didn't make your list, because that would mean a different good young man was still alive.

Not that it matters.
that was in post #108 and he was the 376th person killed by the police in 2017.
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Of course some, even many of these are justifiable. Without even reading the stories, I would guess about 75% are actually justifiable, 15% - 20% are somewhat justifiable, and 5%-10% are not justifiable at all.

You could say those percentages are reasonable averages - ever. It would be a ridiculously foolish intellectual exercise to entertain the idea that ALL police shot inge are justifiable. There is no way that is an intelligent hypothesis given the amount of corruption cases that have actually made it to court or media news (not counting settlements, and cases swept under the rug.)

So, we know unjustifiable, abuses of police power happen. I think 5%-10% is a generous estimate.

So, the OP is posting information with general statistical and demographical information. We can look these people up to see the real story.


The problem of "not" posting something like this despite its generality, and the reason why it is shocking enough to post, is because as we assume those percentages stay the same, as the number increases the number of unjustifiable shootings statistically increases.

By May, for the police have almost killed 400 people means 20 - 40 of those incidents were statistically unjustifiable. That is a lot of unjustifiable shootings (one is honestly too much, but I know that I would be too idelistic to assume cops won't unjustifiable use and abuse their force.)

Last year it was almost 1200 I think... that would give 60 - 120 cases of unjustifiable shootongs... the higher the kill count rises, the more statistically unjustifiable shootings you have.

And, it should also be alarming that cops must use their guns so much.
 
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huh...and all this time I thought it was just a thread about facts I'm interested in making people more aware of.
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Perhaps the amount of gang crime in your fine city would be more useful. Those definitely wouldn't be justified.
 
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Perhaps the amount of gang crime in your fine city would be more useful. Those definitely wouldn't be justified.
If you'd like to discuss that perhaps you should start a thread about it?
tulc(always room for more threads)
 
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