US now has most COVID-19 deaths, surpassing Italy (ETA: more than Italy per capita)

[Subduction Zone]

The act of banning travel from China was labelled Xenophobic. That is not a strawman it is reference to an actual charge levelled by people at the time toward the act itself.

Please support that claim with valid sources. Trump's actions may have been called xenophobic, that is most likely due to how Trump issued his orders.

Did you read the links that I supplied?

 

[loveofourlord]

That is simply an unreasonable thing to say. New York has 100 more per capita. New York is not the entire US it is only New York. If New York was the entire US, Hillary Clinton would be President and the entire US might well have 100 more per capita than Italy due to the likely possibility that she . like Biden, would not have banned travel from China when Trump did because that would have been Xenophobic and they would not ever want to be seen as acting Xenophobically just to protect some Americans from harm. So what did New York do wrong then and why aren't people placing the bulk of the blame on the huge numbers coming from New York on the people in chart in New York for doing the worst job in the US in prevention?

It's also disengenous to point to the entire country where most havn't had their majour outbreak yet and act as if it means something. plus many states like florida and such are a few weeks from their outbreaks.

 

[loveofourlord]

The act of banning travel from China was labelled Xenophobic. That is not a strawman it is reference to an actual charge levelled by people at the time toward the act itself.

the act of banning china travel and ONLY china travel after it was already in other countries is the issue. Thats like trumps banning of travel from muslim countries, but ignoring alies that were just as bad, it shows his itnent and reasoning.

as it was said, it was like closing the barn doors after the horses escaped.

though I would say it's more like closing your neighbors barn doors after his neighbors pigs escape and are now in your other neighbors yard eyeing your food.

 

[grasping the after wind]

the act of banning china travel and ONLY china travel after it was already in other countries is the issue. Thats like trumps banning of travel from muslim countries, but ignoring alies that were just as bad, it shows his itnent and reasoning.

as it was said, it was like closing the barn doors after the horses escaped.

though I would say it's more like closing your neighbors barn doors after his neighbors pigs escape and are now in your other neighbors yard eyeing your food.

If we are going to speculate on intent, then why not consider it likely that Trump was banning China travel because the Chinese government was being deceptive and China was already at epidemic levels that other countries had not come close to experiencing at that time. Banning China alone seems a strange way to act Xenophobic to me. Banning travel from the hottest spot on the planet seems a reasonable first step.

 

[loveofourlord]

If we are going to speculate on intent, then why not consider it likely that Trump was banning China travel because the Chinese government was being deceptive and China was already at epidemic levels that other countries had not come close to experiencing at that time. Banning China alone seems a strange way to act Xenophobic to me. Banning travel from the hottest spot on the planet seems a reasonable first step.

then your just drinking the koolaid, the us got most of it's infections probably from other places, OR if it was China it was before the ban so no, it wasn't a good idea, it was dangerously stupid.

 

[grasping the after wind]

then your just drinking the koolaid, the us got most of it's infections probably from other places, OR if it was China it was before the ban so no, it wasn't a good idea, it was dangerously stupid.

How was banning travel from China dangerous or stupid?

 

[loveofourlord]

How was banning travel from China dangerous or stupid?

banning the source of a disease AFTER IT'S BOTH GONE FROM CHINA AND MOVD TO PLACES NOT BANNED, AND IN THE COUNTRY, doens't do anything, not saying banning wasn't the idea, but you know...ban all travel.

 

[grasping the after wind]

banning the source of a disease AFTER IT'S BOTH GONE FROM CHINA AND MOVD TO PLACES NOT BANNED, AND IN THE COUNTRY, doens't do anything, not saying banning wasn't the idea, but you know...ban all travel.

It was not gone From China nor had it reached anything near epidemic proportions in any other country when the travel ban on China was first instituted on Jan 31st. A single day after the first two reported Italian cases and WHO instituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern . Get the facts straight.


tps://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pandemic-timeline-history-major-events-2020-3

COVID-19 in Italy timeline.

A complete timeline of the coronavirus pandemic

December 31, 2019
Chinese Health officials inform the WHO about a cluster of 41 patients with a mysterious pneumonia. Most are connected to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

January 1, 2020
Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market closes.

Chinese authorities identify a new type of coronavirus (called novel coronavirus or nCoV).
January 7, 2020

January 11, 2020
China records its first death.

First coronavirus case outside of China is reported in Thailand.
January 13, 2020

First US case is reported: a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington.
January 20, 2020

January 23, 2020
Wuhan is placed under quarantine, Hubei province follows within days.

WHO declares a global public-health emergency.
January 30, 2020

President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
January 31, 2020

First death outside China is recorded in the Philippines.
February 2, 2020

February 7, 2020
Chinese whistleblower Li Wenliang dies.

US citizen dies in Wuhan – first death of an American citizen.
February 8, 2020

Death toll in China surpasses that of the 2002-2003 SARS epidemic, with 811 deaths recorded.
February 9, 2020

February 11, 2020
WHO announces that the new coronavirus disease will be called "COVID-19."

Coronavirus cases start to spike in South Korea.
February 12, 2020

Iran outbreak begins.
February 19, 2020

Italy outbreak begins.
February 21, 2020

February 29, 2020
US reports first death on American soil.

March 3, 2020
Coronavirus cases begin to sharply increase in Spain, marking the start of its outbreak.

Italy places all 60 million residents on lockdown.
March 8, 2020

WHO declared the outbreak a pandemic.
March 11, 2020

President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries.
March 11, 2020

A US national emergency is declared over the novel coronavirus outbreak.
March 13, 2020

A leaked federal plan warns the new coronavirus pandemic "will last 18 months or longer" and may come in "multiple waves" of infections.
March 17, 2020

China reports no new locally spread infections for the first time since the pandemic began.
March 19, 2020

New York City confirms 21,000 cases, making it the biggest epicenter of the outbreak in the US.
March 23, 2020

Total confirmed cases in the US reach 82,404 — the highest in the world — surpassing China's 81,782 and Italy's 80,589.
March 26, 2020

More than 1/3 of humanity is under some form of lockdown.
March 31, 2020

The world passes 1 million COVID-19 infections.
April 2, 2020

US reports the highest single-day death toll for any country: more than 1,900.
April 7, 2020

Roughly 95% of all Americans are under lockdown, as 42 states issue stay-at-home orders.
April 7, 2020

The global death toll surpasses 100,000.
April 10, 2020

Globally, authorities report roughly 1.67 million confirmed cases of COVID-19, with about 1.2 million being active and ongoing cases, roughly 370,000 recoveries, and 101,700 deaths.
April 10, 2020

 

[loveofourlord]

It was not gone From China nor had it reached anything near epidemic proportions in any other country when the travel ban on China was first instituted on Jan 31st. A single day after the first two reported Italian cases and WHO instituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern . Get the facts straight.


tps://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pandemic-timeline-history-major-events-2020-3

COVID-19 in Italy timeline.

A complete timeline of the coronavirus pandemic

December 31, 2019
Chinese Health officials inform the WHO about a cluster of 41 patients with a mysterious pneumonia. Most are connected to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

January 1, 2020
Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market closes.

Chinese authorities identify a new type of coronavirus (called novel coronavirus or nCoV).
January 7, 2020

January 11, 2020
China records its first death.

First coronavirus case outside of China is reported in Thailand.
January 13, 2020

First US case is reported: a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington.
January 20, 2020

January 23, 2020
Wuhan is placed under quarantine, Hubei province follows within days.

WHO declares a global public-health emergency.
January 30, 2020

President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
January 31, 2020

First death outside China is recorded in the Philippines.
February 2, 2020

February 7, 2020
Chinese whistleblower Li Wenliang dies.

US citizen dies in Wuhan – first death of an American citizen.
February 8, 2020

Death toll in China surpasses that of the 2002-2003 SARS epidemic, with 811 deaths recorded.
February 9, 2020

February 11, 2020
WHO announces that the new coronavirus disease will be called "COVID-19."

Coronavirus cases start to spike in South Korea.
February 12, 2020

Iran outbreak begins.
February 19, 2020

Italy outbreak begins.
February 21, 2020

February 29, 2020
US reports first death on American soil.

March 3, 2020
Coronavirus cases begin to sharply increase in Spain, marking the start of its outbreak.

Italy places all 60 million residents on lockdown.
March 8, 2020

WHO declared the outbreak a pandemic.
March 11, 2020

President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries.
March 11, 2020

A US national emergency is declared over the novel coronavirus outbreak.
March 13, 2020

A leaked federal plan warns the new coronavirus pandemic "will last 18 months or longer" and may come in "multiple waves" of infections.
March 17, 2020

China reports no new locally spread infections for the first time since the pandemic began.
March 19, 2020

New York City confirms 21,000 cases, making it the biggest epicenter of the outbreak in the US.
March 23, 2020

Total confirmed cases in the US reach 82,404 — the highest in the world — surpassing China's 81,782 and Italy's 80,589.
March 26, 2020

More than 1/3 of humanity is under some form of lockdown.
March 31, 2020

The world passes 1 million COVID-19 infections.
April 2, 2020

US reports the highest single-day death toll for any country: more than 1,900.
April 7, 2020

Roughly 95% of all Americans are under lockdown, as 42 states issue stay-at-home orders.
April 7, 2020

The global death toll surpasses 100,000.
April 10, 2020

Globally, authorities report roughly 1.67 million confirmed cases of COVID-19, with about 1.2 million being active and ongoing cases, roughly 370,000 recoveries, and 101,700 deaths.
April 10, 2020

Like I said too late.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Like I said too late.

I get it. That's your story and your sticking to it.

 

[loveofourlord]

I get it. That's your story and your sticking to it.

No it's in the facts you posted, look closley it shows the ban on China only was too late. took 9 days longer to ban further.

 

[Skewpoint]

As an American, I find the thread title and contents extremely goading. We Americans are only Number 1 regarding good things. Bad things being Number 1 belong to other countries only. Get with the program!

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

First US case is reported: a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington.
January 20, 2020

January 23, 2020
Wuhan is placed under quarantine, Hubei province follows within days.

WHO declares a global public-health emergency.
January 30, 2020

President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
January 31, 2020

Trump tried closing the gate after the enemy had already entered.

 

[Sketcher]

US has the most coronavirus-related deaths in the world

From CNN's Chuck Johnston

The United States surpassed Italy on Saturday morning with the most reported deaths of any nation.

The United States is now reporting at least 18,860 coronavirus deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

Italy is reporting 18,849 coronavirus deaths, according to the university.

On March 26, the US had the most cases. Don't goad the Americans, or this thread may also get shut down.

US: 18860 deaths out of 542023 confirmed cases is about a 3.5% death rate.
Global: 113031 deaths out of 1827284 confirmed cases is about a 6.2% death rate.

My fellow Americans, keep up the good work.

 

[pitabread]

US: 18860 deaths out of 542023 confirmed cases is about a 3.5% death rate.
Global: 113031 deaths out of 1827284 confirmed cases is about a 6.2% death rate.

My fellow Americans, keep up the good work.

That's not how to calculate the mortality rates.

You have to take into account that the majority of the U.S. cases are still active (e.g. they have not resulted in either death or recovery yet). A lot of other countries that had earlier outbreaks have a great proportion of resolved cases.

Trying to calculate mortality rates based solely on active cases is highly misleading.

 

[Consecrated Life]

US has the most coronavirus-related deaths in the world

From CNN's Chuck Johnston

The United States surpassed Italy on Saturday morning with the most reported deaths of any nation.

The United States is now reporting at least 18,860 coronavirus deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

Italy is reporting 18,849 coronavirus deaths, according to the university.

On March 26, the US had the most cases. Don't goad the Americans, or this thread may also get shut down.

The only way to compare that has any real meaning is by per capita.
How many more millions of people does the United States have compared to Italy ?

 

[loveofourlord]

The only way to compare that has any real meaning is by per capita.
How many more millions of people does the United States have compared to Italy ?

per capita is meaningless when you have the states so huge and spread out, it's closer to something like new york where it's more concentrated.

 

[loveofourlord]

Every state has been declared a disaster area. Yes they are huge . Yes they have many more millions in just one of these states than Italy has in the whole country .
You seem to be working very hard at this .
Why would it make you happy to have more per capita deaths here than in Italy ?

because ofuscating the danger and harm done leads to stupidity.

 

[SaintCody777]

Did you read to the end of your article? The death toll may be high but it won't be anywhere near 21 million. Chances are that the government has turned off a lot of those phones to keep info from getting out of China. The truth is that they stopped testing people so we will never know how many deaths are related to Covid-19. That is what happens in a socialist/communist government...the government controls everything, even access to the rest of the world.

(do you know how many days it would take to incinerate 1200 people a day to get to 21 million?)

Even if what you said is true, the US would still come in 2nd place as the country with the most COVID-19 deaths and cases.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Every state has been declared a disaster area. Yes they are huge . Yes they have many more millions in just one of these states than Italy has in the whole country .
You seem to be working very hard at this .
Why would it make you happy to have more per capita deaths here than in Italy ?

(All stats from here: Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,848,388 Cases and 113,946 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer)
Well, Italy has 329 deaths per million. Spain has 366. Across the US, only 66. But per @loveofourlord's point,

New York 478
New Jersey 265
Louisiana 180
Connecticut 155
Michigan 149
Massachusetts 111

Are you ok with that? Only San Marino has a higher rate. But they've had only 35 deaths (they have a population of only 33K or so).

The tragedy in NY outstrips anywhere else in the world. And other states are following hard on.